Wine For Medicinal Purposes ? - Page 9

Aquila · #81 07-14-2008, 11:12 PM

Colossians 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Romans 14:17
For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

If a brother has a beer, a glass of scotch, shot of whiskey, a fine bourbon, or a nice brandy with dinner or before bed in his own home and doesn't get drunk, he's done no sin.

If a brother knows doing so could easily cause him to fall into a drunken binge...it's definitely a sin.

Likewise, if a brother drinks in front of a weaker brother without regard for that brother's convictions, that too is a sin.

Aquila · #82 07-14-2008, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 1399

Why wait!? You can have your brandy right now! Your brandy, your Bible, on your back porch with your shot gun, spittin some tobaccy-- now this is what Christian freedom is all about!

Please don't be offended. If you're ever in the DC/Baltimore area, maybe we can hang out-- you with your brandy, me with my sweet tea. But we could hang out.

LOL

I don't know if I'd go that far bro. I'm a rather tame individual. And I don't believe in owning a firearm. But hey, if it wouldn't offend you, I'd be honored to enjoy a nice brandy with you or a nice warm pipe on a cool rainy day. But I'd only enjoy that smoke on Saturdays. Just my thing.

I'd love the sweet tea bro. But my doctor put it off limits. I am permitted a glass of wine or a brandy.

Aquila · #83 07-14-2008, 11:25 PM

I think it's amusing how we all revert to spiritual communism, issuing rules and regulations binding upon all, where the Bible makes no such laws.

This is where personal spiritual discipline comes into play. You know what you can do and what you can't. You know what God has convicted you to do based on what you need.

It's easier to set a law and demand it be obeyed. It takes away the need for prayer and sincere introspection. It takes away the fear of freedom. It also makes others beholden to another's convictions, because so often they cannot control themselves unless everyone has to play by the same rules God has spoken to them. Here's the deal...I feel it's lazy. lol

Some things are specifically mentioned in Scripture. These we must do. Other things are a matter of personal conviction. I do not believe a brother should drink or anything else around brethren who might be weak or stumble at it. Likewise, I don't believe the weaker brethren should judge another's meat or drink. We're grown adults led of the Holy Ghost.

Here's a good example. God has spoken to me clearly on this. God doesn't want me to own a firearm. He promised to withdraw his hand of protection should I buy one. But I know a wonderful brother with a collection of fine weapons. Do I judge him? No. I will share how passionate I am about my convictions. But I'd never attempt to force him to live by my convictions.

Now I might enjoy a nice brandy now and again. But guess what....my brother might have some strong convictions against that. Does he judge me? Prayerfully no. Prayerfully we pray for each other and maintain the bond of love in the midst of Christian liberty and the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

StMark · #84 07-14-2008, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

I think it's amusing how we all revert to spiritual communism, issuing rules and regulations binding upon all, where the Bible makes no such laws.

This is where personal spiritual discipline comes into play. You know what you can do and what you can't. You know what God has convicted you to do based on what you need.

It's easier to set a law and demand it be obeyed. It takes away the need for prayer and sincere introspection. It takes away the fear of freedom. It also makes others beholden to another's convictions, because so often they cannot control themselves unless everyone has to play by the same rules God has spoken to them. Here's the deal...I feel it's lazy. lol

Some things are specifically mentioned in Scripture. These we must do. Other things are a matter of personal conviction. I do not believe a brother should drink or anything else around brethren who might be weak or stumble at it. Likewise, I don't believe the weaker brethren should judge another's meat or drink. We're grown adults led of the Holy Ghost.

Here's a good example. God has spoken to me clearly on this. God doesn't want me to own a firearm. He promised to withdraw his hand of protection should I buy one. But I know a wonderful brother with a collection of fine weapons. Do I judge him? No. I will share how passionate I am about my convictions. But I'd never attempt to force him to live by my convictions.

Now I might enjoy a nice brandy now and again. But guess what....my brother might have some strong convictions against that. Does he judge me? Prayerfully no. Prayerfully we pray for each other and maintain the bond of love in the midst of Christian liberty and the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

O my LORD I know you are Joking right???
Tell me you are !!!!!!!

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Aquila · #85 07-14-2008, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by StMark

O my LORD I know you are Joking right???
Tell me you are !!!!!!!

Bro....I'd take a small glass of fine brandy before bed over having a bad attitude any day. Besides, my doctor advised wine and permitted brandy over things like soda pop and tea. In moderation its actually good for you.

Here's a link:

http://www.nbc11.com/health/5535573/detail.html

But Bro. Mark...you know your limits. If God has convicted you about it...don't do it.

StMark · #86 07-14-2008, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Bro....I'd take a small glass of fine brandy before bed over having a bad attitude any day. Besides, my doctor advised wine and permitted brandy over things like soda pop and tea. In moderation its actually good for you.

Here's a link:

http://www.nbc11.com/health/5535573/detail.html

I'm going to tell Bro Epley about this !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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1Corinth2v4 · #87 07-14-2008, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

Suppose a Christian has stomach problems and decides to drink a little Passover wine for medicinal purposes,is this person sinning by drinking a little wine ?

Drink pepto-bismol, its intended specifically for stomach aches.

Why glue your eyelids open when NoDoz Pills will do the job?

jaxfam6 · #88 07-15-2008, 12:04 AM

I will just say this. Maybe most of you all better not come to my house. Many of you would be offended. I grew up in a non-drinking family. I have a brother who was killed because he and my cousin were out drinking and got in a car accident. Have another brother who is an alcoholic and will not touch the stuff now because he does not want to revert back to those days. ME? well I decided that I control what I do. I found nothing in the Bible against it and I spoke with many ministers on the subject and all of them said that the 'rule' is made because most can not control it. I decided that I would control it and I do. I use it in cooking, I drink a glass for pleasure, and I drink it with friends. Never get drunk that is not allowed. I do not drink and drive either.
So if you do not want to be offended at what you will see at my house better not come by. Now if you want to come enjoy a shot, snort, or glass with me feel free I got plenty to choose from.

Condemn me for for it if you must but remember that Jesus turned water to wine and it was really good stuff. He also drank it. I think he may have even drank enough to feel a little buzz from time to time but I do not think he ever let himself get drunk. So if you condemn me then you are also condemn Him.

If you can not control it then by all means do not drink it but for goodness sake do not get on your high horse and condemn others for enjoying it.

Same goes for gold, silver, jewels. etc.... God gave them to us to enjoy. If I can afford them I will buy them. If you can't then by all means do not go into debt for them.

RandyWayne · #89 07-15-2008, 12:24 AM

"I say, first, medicinal wine from a teaspoon,
Then beer from a bottle!
An' the next thing ya know,
Your son is playin' for money
In a pinch-back suit."

Praxeas · #90 07-15-2008, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

Suppose a Christian has stomach probelms and decides to drink a little Passover wine for medicinal purposes,is this person sinning by drinking a little wine ?

How does wine help stomach problems?

In the case of Timothy I think the deal here is is that water made people sick. It had microbes in it. It was dirty. This is one reason they cut their wine with water.