Wine For Medicinal Purposes ?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Colossians 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Romans 14:17
For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

If a brother has a beer, a glass of scotch, shot of whiskey, a fine bourbon, or a nice brandy with dinner or before bed in his own home and doesn't get drunk, he's done no sin.

If a brother knows doing so could easily cause him to fall into a drunken binge...it's definitely a sin.

Likewise, if a brother drinks in front of a weaker brother without regard for that brother's convictions, that too is a sin.

At the risk of sounding like the folks I have criticized in the past, I would have to talk to my Pastor about this, first.

But then maybe not. My Pastor wasn't there when the Lord convicted me when I drank my last Guinness-- it didn't even taste the same.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by jaxfam6

Now if you want to come enjoy a shot, snort....

ok so what exactly are you snorting? is it at least the good stuff? if not, I've got a cousin in jail but he still has connections. he can hook u right up!


kidding aside, i'm thinking that as you draw closer to the Lord, you are supposed to lose your desire for these worldly "pleasures".

at the same time, living by a list of man-made rules is not God's intention either as we are indeed called to freedom.

don't you want to be holy? i've got a long ways to go, but i can see that the road ahead of me is a long one.

are "sipping saints" holy saints?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4

Drink pepto-bismol, its intended specifically for stomach aches.

Why glue your eyelids open when NoDoz Pills will do the job?

Most wines are better for you than medicines. It's funny, we assume that because it's "medicine" it must be good for us. Wrong. We're an over medicated society. If we would get back to eating and drinking appropriately many would discover health, enjoyment, less stress, and more vitality...not to mention longer life expectancy.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

How does wine help stomach problems?

In the case of Timothy I think the deal here is is that water made people sick. It had microbes in it. It was dirty. This is one reason they cut their wine with water.

I believe it can easy certain stomach bacteria. Doctors will advise a little wine as part of a heart healthy diet if one has heart disease or is at high risk for heart disease.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by jaxfam6

I will just say this. Maybe most of you all better not come to my house. Many of you would be offended. I grew up in a non-drinking family. I have a brother who was killed because he and my cousin were out drinking and got in a car accident. Have another brother who is an alcoholic and will not touch the stuff now because he does not want to revert back to those days. ME? well I decided that I control what I do. I found nothing in the Bible against it and I spoke with many ministers on the subject and all of them said that the 'rule' is made because most can not control it. I decided that I would control it and I do. I use it in cooking, I drink a glass for pleasure, and I drink it with friends. Never get drunk that is not allowed. I do not drink and drive either.
So if you do not want to be offended at what you will see at my house better not come by. Now if you want to come enjoy a shot, snort, or glass with me feel free I got plenty to choose from.

Condemn me for for it if you must but remember that Jesus turned water to wine and it was really good stuff. He also drank it. I think he may have even drank enough to feel a little buzz from time to time but I do not think he ever let himself get drunk. So if you condemn me then you are also condemn Him.

If you can not control it then by all means do not drink it but for goodness sake do not get on your high horse and condemn others for enjoying it.

Same goes for gold, silver, jewels. etc.... God gave them to us to enjoy. If I can afford them I will buy them. If you can't then by all means do not go into debt for them.

Amen. The Bible requires sobriety and modesty. I stand firmly against drunkenness and immodesty. My wife wears a wedding band and that's all the jewelry we believe in. "Functional" is key for us when it comes to any kind of jewelry.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by 1399

ok so what exactly are you snorting? is it at least the good stuff? if not, I've got a cousin in jail but he still has connections. he can hook u right up!

kidding aside, i'm thinking that as you draw closer to the Lord, you are supposed to lose your desire for these worldly "pleasures".

at the same time, living by a list of man-made rules is not God's intention either as we are indeed called to freedom.

don't you want to be holy? i've got a long ways to go, but i can see that the road ahead of me is a long one.

are "sipping saints" holy saints?

Where does the Bible say we are to give up simple pleasures of life? We marry and enjoy pleasure. We eat and enjoy pleasure. We buy nice beds and air condition our church buildings. We have massaging shower nozzles. We use rinses, skin creams, and oils. My wife goes nuts at Bath & Body Works to pamper herself. Right now I'm enjoying a While Wheat English Muffin, light butter, orange marmalade, and a nice vanilla caramel tea. And let me tell you...it's all very nice.

The Bible condemns sinful pleasures but not all pleasures. Jesus regularly partook in wine. Was he holy?

[Aquila]

I think there is what is "holy" according to man and then there is what is "holy" according to God. Man needs additional laws, rules, and statutes by which to discipline violators. But all of these laws are external exersizes of religiosity. God's "holiness" has to do with the heart, modesty, moderation, and self control. Sometimes we're so conservative and religious about things, we'd disfellowship Jesus if he walked among us.

[Baron1710]

Maybe I am getting old but I have the desire to tell a story.

This past weekend we were in the car and my daughter says, "Mom tell me I can't watch Life With Derek" Obviously I wanted to know why she wanted to have a rule saying she couldn't watch something. She had seen something that she considered inappropriate on there and wanted us to tell her not to watch it rather than moderating it herself. Now I realize that children need rules however if she lives her entire life looking for mom and dad to give her a list of do's and don’ts she is going to have problems. So we had a long talk about principles, self control, and doing what is right without a list of rules. I want her to grow up and be able to make wise decisions.

Why is it that the church wants to treat everyone like they are children. Not teaching folks to make godly decisions but rather go to the pastor for a list of what we can do, can't do, what to watch and what not to watch. Scripture teaches that one who is in Christ should have self control. Several people have made fun of the fact that people can drink and be self controlled. Is that not what Jesus did? Those who cannot control themselves should not condemn those who live a Christ like life and enjoy the very same things that he did. In the passage below drunkenness is listed as part of the sin nature but self control (not abstinence) is listed as a fruit of the Spirit.

Proverbs 25:28
Like a city whose walls are broken down is a man who lacks self-control.

19The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions
21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. 25Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit.

[tamor]

My mother in law is a holy-ghost filled christian who drinks 4 oz of wine at night, for health reasons, per doctors instructions. Nothing more, nothing less. It is not a temptation for her to drink more or to "get drunk". Do I think this is wrong? Not in the least!

[LadyChocolate]

Originally Posted by tamor

My mother in law is a holy-ghost filled christian who drinks 4 oz of wine at night, for health reasons, per doctors instructions. Nothing more, nothing less. It is not a temptation for her to drink more or to "get drunk". Do I think this is wrong? Not in the least!

The doctors told my dad to do the same for heart issues......I think it would be much better on your body than all the chemicals from meds that doctors prescribe...



LOL... This has nothing to do with the thread..but anyway... I was reminded of when I was about 16 or 17. I grew up in an apostolic home so I never had a drink of wine before... No big deal... But I was over a friends house and I was curious what the big deal was...Why was my friend so anxious to have a drink when her parents weren't home... What was so great about the taste of wine... Sooooo.... She poured me a small amount of which I tasted... Kind of like you would taste a new coffee or something else... I let it sit in my mouth...Thought about that after taste... and that was it... I wasn't tempted to get wasted....I wasn't even doing it out of rebellion...no big deal right? WRONG.... my cousins were there also, did the same thing...but before I was home, they had called my mother and told them I was drinking wine....LOL...Those backstabbers.... They were happy to see me in trouble...

anyway, carry on!