UPC - "Apostolic" Wesleyan Holiness Standards

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Personally Guy

The AS/Westburg resolution was primarily written to reaffirm the Fundamental Doctrine ... standards found in the AOF were thrown in for good measure ...

IMO, the spin after the 1992 conference was this was just about standards ... and most of the constituency bought it ... I know that's what we thought in NY.... everyone thought, my Dad included, it was just about TV.

Yet, a deeper look at the roles of the personalities involved may indicate this was about PCI vs. PAJC. I think I'll post some of TF's interviews just for FUN.

Daniel
I would agree that it may have been in the minds of the framers but it certainly was not pitched that way in the fellowship. However I do think it is we both agree that non water/spirit people were considered part of the "liberal" camp regardless of their stand on standards.

[Whole Hearted]

Originally Posted by Frank

I have a wedding picture of an apostolic ministerial couple taken in the 1930's in which the bride is wearing the nicest strand of pearls.
It wasn't preached against in all places.

I did not say it was preached in all places. Go back and read it. But it was being preached in many places way before the 60's.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Guy

Daniel
I would agree that it may have been in the minds of the framers but it certainly was not pitched that way in the fellowship. However I do think it is we both agree that non water/spirit people were considered part of the "liberal" camp regardless of their stand on standards.

Guy,

It was not pitched that way ... in some ways I think we were sold a bag of goods ... I think the secular media slant on the Westberg Resolution, like the AP David Briggs article, also solidified the rhetoric that this was about lifestyle choices.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

I did not say it was preached in all places. Go back and read it. But it was being preached in many places way before the 60's.

An that's the whole point of this thread ... how some of the Holiness movement is rooted in groups like the Wesleyans

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

I bolded the part about jewelry not being preached until the 60's. This is not true I don't car who says it. It was preach in east Texas in the 20's.

Well now, east Texas now covers all the early UPC?

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Sam

I honestly don't think that happens this side of the rapture.
I think that until "perfection" comes, we see through a glass darkly and we know in part and prophesy in part.

Originally Posted by rrford

Exaclty! But it is followed by "until we all come into the unity of the faith."

Exactly when was that to occur, in your opinion?

If you want to see a further pursuit of the standards "unity of faith" you can go to Heritage Homestead near Waco, TX. What it really is, is control of the many by the elite few.

www.homesteadheritage.com

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by crakjak

www.homesteadheritage.com

Huh?

[Coonskinner]

I was/am personally very well acquainted with two of the three framers of the AS resolution.

In their minds, it was about the New Birth, not standards.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by crakjak

If you want to see a further pursuit of the standards "unity of faith" you can go to Heritage Homestead near Waco, TX. What it really is, is control of the many by the elite few.

www.homesteadheritage.com

This is the kind of polarized, broad brushed and completely bogus statement that renders you way out there on the fringe of credibility.

To compare the Apostolic movement with the insanity of as lunatic like Koresh is just beyond wacky.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

I was/am personally very well acquainted with two of the three framers of the AS resolution.

In their minds, it was about the New Birth, not standards.

Thank you ... Pastor Carroll .. I know you knew Westberg ... it was about the New Birth.