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Steve Epley · #11 06-23-2008, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee

If you read Hebrews 10:12, Colossians 3:1,Hebrew 4:14-16.

If Jesus is NOT the son of God Now, Who is being referenced in the above scriptures? Don't be ignorant. Please read and get an understanding. Let God be true and every man a liar. All of the above scriptures were written many years after Jesus rose and ascended. If they were true then, they are still true now. Please search the scriptures and find one that states that Jesus Christ is NOT the son of God or where He ever ceased to be that.

Thanks

Lee the good Bishop was wrong the scriptures plainly declare Jesus is the Son of God NOW:
1. "We HAVE(that is right now) a great high priest passed INTO the HEAVENS, Jesus the Son of God." Heb.4:14
2." ...declared to BE(right now) the Son of God...by the resurrection of the dead.
3."..and to wait for his Son FROM Heaven."1Thess1:10
4."....these things SAITH(60 years after the resurrection)the Son of God"
It seems Paul and John hadn't heard the Good Bishop's doctrine?

Michael The Disciple · #12 06-23-2008, 01:30 PM

He excelled on the doctrine of soul sleep and headcovering. He struck out BIG TIME denying Jesus is the Son of God. Can one be saved if he does that?.

Steve Epley · #13 06-23-2008, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

He excelled on the doctrine of soul sleep and headcovering. He struck out BIG TIME denying Jesus is the Son of God. Can one be saved if he does that?.

He also was off on the headcovering. However he was correct about the resurrection.

tstew · #14 06-23-2008, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BroJones

You know that shows you how big of impression Bishop Johnson had on the entire world. 47 years after his death people are still talking about his teachings. Wow!

Since this is my first post I would like to clarify something I saw on this board. Most people are quoting second hand stuff they heard from various tapes and people that probably never even sat under Bishop Johnson. Like every preacher for you to get an understanding of what he teaches you have to sit under him at least a year and not hear tapes.

Even though most people thought this man was crazy, we have to give it to him, he did have the largest Apostolic movement in his time. Why you may ask? Because he preached like he was sent straight out of heaven! Name one person today that preaches with that much boldness?

Unfornately I was not alive when he was around but for him to preach against things and then do those things himself like not watch TV, go to movies, wear only 4 colors, and etc. 90% of you would not give up half of those things to be saved. Bishop Johnson was after the Spirit of Christ. He was willing to give up all to follow him. I have more respect for Amish people than most Apostolic preachers today.

Now if these preachers were true men of God they would get off their high horse and try to get together.Until we all come in the unity of the spirit..) and form the one church that is suppose to be on one accord, speak the same thing, have all things common and the same mind!

God Bless

Bishop Johnson was right. Jesus is not currently the Son of God. Keyword: currently. Jesus was but is no more.

I find it ironic that you would make those two statements so close together.

Zander · #15 07-26-2008, 01:11 PM

Bishop Sherrod C. Johnson (1897-1961) taught that the Sonship of Christ began when the Holy Spirit overshadowed the virgin Mary and she gave birth to the Son of God and ended with his death at Calvary. He taught that Son was the body that God prepared for the purpose of redemption. (see Johnson, Sherrod, Is Jesus Christ The Son of God Now?)

Sister Alvear · #16 07-26-2008, 01:20 PM

I am not a debater but I have always thought the sonship of Christ began in Mary´s womb and will only end at the end of time...
Brother Epley could you please comment about this?

TRFrance · #17 07-26-2008, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Zander

Bishop Sherrod C. Johnson (1897-1961) taught that the Sonship of Christ began when the Holy Spirit overshadowed the virgin Mary and she gave birth to the Son of God and ended with his death at Calvary. He taught that Son was the body that God prepared for the purpose of redemption. (see Johnson, Sherrod, Is Jesus Christ The Son of God Now?)

So, when did the Sonship end?
And what scriptures do you have to support your answer?
Does the scripture anywhere say that the Sonship wouldend?

Dont give us Johnson's teaching or opinion on this. Give us scripture please. Man's opinion is irrelevant in this discussion.

Zander · #18 07-26-2008, 05:42 PM

I am not apart and never have been apart of Bishop Johnson's church. I was rasied in a small Trinitarian church that was associated with the United Pentecostal Council of the Assemblies of God (a splinter group from the Assemblies of God, Springfiled, MO).

I do believe that the Oneness of God is in Christ. That Jehovah God of the Old Testament is Jesus Christ of the New. I believe that there is One God (Deut 6:4), who when the fullness of time can manifested Himself as the Son (Gal 4:4) to redeem man from sin (Jo 3:16-17). This is when the Son, the Logos came into existence (Jo 1:1,14). The Sonship ended with the death on the Cross, when Christ said "it is finished", the purpose for which the Son came and was born was completed. To die for the sins of the world (Heb 9:22). Jesus as the Son died in a natural body (Lk.24:29) but rose in a spiritual body (1 Cor 15:44) in whom all the fulness of the Godhead dwells (Col 2:9). He rose as the Mighty God and all power in heaven and earth is in His hands (Mat 28:19). [remember when Jesus was bodily on earth He had 2 natures human and divine, Father and Son; the Son was the Flesh and God dwelled in that body]

Some Oneness people believe that the Sonship will end at the White Throne judgment, but I personally understand that it ended at Calvary and that One God is the Lord Jesus Christ.

TRFrance · #19 07-26-2008, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Zander

This is when the Son, the Logos came into existence (Jo 1:1,14). The Sonship ended with the death on the Cross, when Christ said "it is finished", the purpose for which the Son came and was born was completed. To die for the sins of the world (Heb 9:22). Jesus as the Son died in a natural body (Lk.24:29) but rose in a spiritual body (1 Cor 15:44) in whom all the fulness of the Godhead dwells (Col 2:9). He rose as the Mighty God and all power in heaven and earth is in His hands (Mat 28:19). [remember when Jesus was bodily on earth He had 2 natures human and divine, Father and Son; the Son was the Flesh and God dwelled in that body]

Some Oneness people believe that the Sonship will end at the White Throne judgment, but I personally understand that it ended at Calvary and that One God is the Lord Jesus Christ.

That's much too vague. Jesus saying "it is finished" is in no way saying the Sonship is finished.

Furtheremore, for one to believe that Jesus' sonship ended at the cross, once would have to ignore the fact that Jesus is referred to as "the Son" of God many times after the cross.... ([such as: Rom 8:29, 1 Co 1:9, 2 Cor 1:19, Gal 2:20, Gal 4:6, Eph 4:13, Heb 6:6 and Rev 2:18 to name a few]...notice that Jesus referred to Himself as the Son of God in Rev 2:18).

Allow me to respectfully say, my brother, that I think you really need to study this matter a bit more, because frankly, you are way off on this issue.

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Anyway, that would lead to my next question... If the Sonship is finished as you say, and we should no longer refer to him as the Son of God, then what should we refer to Him as, instead? In other words, what office does He now hold in the Kingdom of God?

Jermyn Davidson · #20 07-26-2008, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Zander

Bishop Sherrod C. Johnson (1897-1961) taught that the Sonship of Christ began when the Holy Spirit overshadowed the virgin Mary and she gave birth to the Son of God and ended with his death at Calvary. He taught that Son was the body that God prepared for the purpose of redemption. (see Johnson, Sherrod, Is Jesus Christ The Son of God Now?)

HEY!! This what I was taught when I lived in Florida!!!!

But I never attended a Church of The Lord Jesus Christ....

I thought it was wrong then. I think it is wrong now.

Jesus Christ has been the Son from the beginning and He is the Son now.
Jesus Christ is the Son of God and He is God-- not because it makes sense to me, but because this is what the Bible says to me.