Abortion, Where Do You Stand?

[OnTheFritz]

Originally Posted by gloryseeker

I do understand what you don't understand is that the 10 commandments don't stop you from committing adultery, stealing or killing it just imposes penalties for doing so. That is what "standing for" something is.

Get a clue!

Give the "get off the fence and stand for something" speech a rest. Actually read the posts and try to understand the perspective without getting yourself worked up into a frenzy.

None of us want to murder babies. Pay attention.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by vrblackwell

Sadly, there are some who profess christianity who believe that a woman should have the choice of rather she would like to have an abortion or not.

Where do you stand, is it a life or a choice?

The only choice a woman has is whether or not to have sex. Birth control choices are before sex not after.

[OnTheFritz]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

The only choice a woman has is whether or not to have sex. Birth control choices are before sex not after.

Roni -- out of curiousity, are you okay with birth control pills (and other contraceptives), or is abstinence the only option? Just curious based on your first sentence. I know some people who believe that birth control even in a married relationship is a way of playing God.

Not setting you up for another question or anything, just asking

[Falla39]

It always amazed me that the case that swayed the vote on
Roe vs Wade in 1973, was based on a LIE! The woman who
was used as the "Roe" figure, who was supposed to have been raped,
was not raped at all. She was used as a pawn by a group of ungodly
humans with an ungodly agenda!

Later she told the true story, after a man who spent time in jail for
public demostrations against abortion, witnessed to her. She con-
fessed that she didn't have an abortion at all. The daughter is grown
and the last I heard, she was still living. It was all based on a BIG LIE
hatched up by that group with the BIG agenda.

The shedding of INNOCENT blood is listed in Proverbs as one of the
seven things GOD hates. It would be very unwise to be in favor
of that which GOD hates!

Why hasn't "Roe vs Wade" been reversed since discovered that it
was based on a lie!

God sees the motive that is involved anytime an abortion is performed.
He is the Judge! THE Righteous Judge. It's His place to do the judging
on an individual basis for He knows the thoughts and intents of the
heart. He is also merciful and compassinate.

Sometimes there are spontaneous abortions when something is
wrong. God sees fit for these pregnancies to terminate. HE takes care
of it! There is NO situation that our GOD cannot handle IF we would trust
HIM and leave it in HIS Hands!

Leave it there, leave it there;
Take your burdens to the Lord
and leave it there.
If we trust and never doubt, He
will surely bring us out;
Take your burdens to the Lord
and leave it there!

With the mountains on either side and the Egyptians behind and
the Red Sea in front of them, the children of Israel were certainly
faced with a dilemma! But one man, a rod and God, the situation
was soon under control. The man with the rod had been in touch
with God, and victory was ahead! It wasn't that bunch of Israel's
children that had the answer. It was that man who was prepared
by God, that would spend time listening to the God of Israel, that
God brought about the victory.

Another man, the Seed of Israel, that was prepared by God, before
the foundation of the world, brought about deliverance to every human,
Jew or Gentile, bond or free, male or female, that would believe and
receive Him. Every individual that would receive Him into their hearts
could have the power to obtain victory individually or collectively.

Why look to man for your answers when we can look unto Jesus,
the Author and Finisher of our faith. He will take care of every situ-
ation, IF we trust in Him with all our hearts and lean not unto our
own understanding. IF we acknowledge Him in all our ways, He shall
direct our paths. HE will see us through any problem, concern or
trial, in Jesus Name! Wait on the Lord!! Who's rushing you into a
decision! When in doubt don't! Don't move until HE gives the okay!
Often He takes it out of our hands anyway, and directs the situa-
tion.

Blessings,

Falla39

[gloryseeker]

Originally Posted by DerrickS

Here is an example of you making a judgement call based on your opinion (which I agree with), but the point is that the issue of when it becomes murder is subjective to many people. It's not that (most) people think murder is ok, it's that they can't agree on when life begins - and they use that ambiguity to justify their decisions. I know you know this, but you must realize that is the crux of the debate. You can cry MURDER!, MURDER! all day long, but unless someone agrees with your definition of murder, it means nothing.

I totally agree with you, but we can take that same logic to other areas and then the question become where do we stop?

Mr. Clinton said that oral sex was not sex. So now we can argue about when sex occurs --kissing, touching, etc, etc. Mr. Clinton also smoked M, but said he didn't inhale so now we have to define and argue about what drug use is. As the old saying goes....if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it probably is a duck.

So while I don't disagree with what you said, someone needs to stand for what is right.

Whether it "is" a human life or is "becoming" a human life, human life is what is being taken. Christians need to take a stand and quit worrying about being PC or offending someone.

[gloryseeker]

Originally Posted by DerrickS

Give the "get off the fence and stand for something" speech a rest. Actually read the posts and try to understand the perspective without getting yourself worked up into a frenzy.

None of us want to murder babies. Pay attention.

No frenzy here, just stupidity breeds stupidity. In fact your term "off the fence" is actually a good one. While I would assume that most everyone on this forum is a Christian they need to get off the fence and stand for something.

Sanctity of life is pretty essential from a biblical standpoint.

Now, on another note. If you do some research on those who have had an abortion (reason doesn't matter) the after affects are amazing. I am against abortion from the life aspect and had never even considered the affects on those who had an abortion.

There is a lady in our city who is the daughter of a Pastor. She had an abortion and it messed her up for a long time. Her testimony is powerful. She also provides statistics on the negative aspects affecting those who have had abortions.

In fact, one thing that absolutely amazed me is the negative affects it has on men. The depression, inability to contact emotionally, and a host of other mental problems are mind staggering.

John 10:10 tells us that the thief comes to kill, steal, and destroy. Not only does abortion take a life or what is becoming a life, but it's work of destruction in the living parents are a fulfillment of John 10:10.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by gloryseeker

I totally agree with you, but we can take that same logic to other areas and then the question become where do we stop?

Mr. Clinton said that oral sex was not sex. So now we can argue about when sex occurs --kissing, touching, etc, etc. Mr. Clinton also smoked M, but said he didn't inhale so now we have to define and argue about what drug use is. As the old saying goes....if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it probably is a duck.

So while I don't disagree with what you said, someone needs to stand for what is right.

Whether it "is" a human life or is "becoming" a human life, human life is what is being taken. Christians need to take a stand and quit worrying about being PC or offending someone.

You act as if we aren't standing for what's right. I have yet to see anyone on these abortion threads say they believe getting an abortion is just fine and dandy, but people like you refuse to admit that.

[OnTheFritz]

Originally Posted by gloryseeker

I totally agree with you, but we can take that same logic to other areas and then the question become where do we stop?

Mr. Clinton said that oral sex was not sex. So now we can argue about when sex occurs --kissing, touching, etc, etc. Mr. Clinton also smoked M, but said he didn't inhale so now we have to define and argue about what drug use is. As the old saying goes....if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it probably is a duck.

So while I don't disagree with what you said, someone needs to stand for what is right.

Whether it "is" a human life or is "becoming" a human life, human life is what is being taken. Christians need to take a stand and quit worrying about being PC or offending someone.

Again... I have no problem telling anyone and everyone that I am against abortion. I don't care whether it's PC or not.

That has nothing to do with whether it is the government's decision or the woman's choice.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by DerrickS

Roni -- out of curiousity, are you okay with birth control pills (and other contraceptives), or is abstinence the only option? Just curious based on your first sentence. I know some people who believe that birth control even in a married relationship is a way of playing God.

Not setting you up for another question or anything, just asking

Derrick,

Yes, I am alright with birth control pills but not used as night after where several are taken at once to abort a possible pregnancy. Stopping ovulation before a pregnancy occurs is one thing and aborting after a pregnancy has occurred is murder.

Blessings, Rhoni

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by vrblackwell

Sadly, there are some who profess christianity who believe that a woman should have the choice of rather she would like to have an abortion or not.

Where do you stand, is it a life or a choice?

I am agin it!!!