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08-06-2008, 11:39 PM
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Re: Polygamy in the Bible
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Originally Posted by Dora
Polyamory??? What of that? still no answer...
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I read a book given to me by a preacher friend that would absolutely blow your mind and most likely really upset you. It expressed how the marriage arrangement was entirely a social contract between the husband and the wife and that the stipulations of that contract were strictly between the husband and the wife. The author also goes into the OT understanding of adultery and how it was essentially unlawful relations with a married woman, the sin being primarily taking that which belonged to another man. The author contended that if a man and wife chose to engage in polyamory no sin was committed unless they engaged in relations with a woman who was married against her husband's wishes.
The book was a challenging read.
And while the author make some valid points in a cultural context, I don't believe in every conclusion drawn by the author. The books' title was Divine Sex.
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08-06-2008, 11:39 PM
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Re: Polygamy in the Bible
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Originally Posted by TK Burk
WHAT?? The Mishnah and Talmud have NOTHING to do with the Masoretic text.  The Mishnah and Talmud are about the Jewish "ORAL" Law. The Masoretic Text refers to the written text of the Tanakh. Unreal!
So much for making for "great preaching"!
Hey, we are NOT the one's messed up here....  Which is getting more and more evident the further this conversation goes....
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Ok if your through with your emoticom revival there.. answer the question he asked
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08-06-2008, 11:40 PM
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Re: Polygamy in the Bible
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actually I would! Only in the case of adultery is it allowed. Moses failed in this aspect and allowed it. I don't think the Law he constantly mentions(law of first mention) has any merit in the sense that is the ONLY way it can be.
Wonder if he observes the Sabbath it is eternaly hallowed day.
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I think someone should mention that while God allows for divorce based on unfaithfulness....God still hates divorce and would have husbands and wives reconcile.
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08-06-2008, 11:41 PM
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Re: Polygamy in the Bible
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Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn
Lol,, you know what.. your a kewl girl,, I like your style
I would say that "you don't need my guidance in your bedroom, it's between each of you" A married couple answers only to each other... scripture says that their bodies belong to each other and whatever pleases them with their full acceptance,, I wouldn't see them going to hell for their private sexual ventures... my personal opinion
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Dr. Vaughn, I sincerly hope you don't counsel.
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The Bible is open to those that want Truth, and if they want Truth, they find Truth. They watch individuals squabble over Bible symbolism on the Internet, and leave the Message boards to enter into the real world where live people dwell, and they find Truth. The World Wide Web is full of Internet Ayatollahs who speak their mind. There is only one Truth, and it is not hidden. No matter what anyone says, Truth still converts the sincere.
-DD Benincasa, 12/06/03
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08-06-2008, 11:42 PM
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Re: Polygamy in the Bible
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Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn
Lol,, you know what.. your a kewl girl,, I like your style
I would say that "you don't need my guidance in your bedroom, it's between each of you" A married couple answers only to each other... scripture says that their bodies belong to each other and whatever pleases them with their full acceptance,, I wouldn't see them going to hell for their private sexual ventures... my personal opinion
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Really? This answer surprises me. ...that you would offer vague support for any polyamorous relationship....
A husband and wife's private sexual "ventures" should be with one another. There should be no third party involved.
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08-06-2008, 11:43 PM
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Go OLLU Armadillos!!!
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Re: Polygamy in the Bible
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Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn
Lol,, you know what.. your a kewl girl,, I like your style
I would say that "you don't need my guidance in your bedroom, it's between each of you" A married couple answers only to each other... scripture says that their bodies belong to each other and whatever pleases them with their full acceptance,, I wouldn't see them going to hell for their private sexual ventures... my personal opinion
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I think I'm really gonna HURL!  So you are a minister of the Gospel? are you a pastor? what church are you affiliated with??? You have GOT to be kidding.
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08-06-2008, 11:43 PM
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Re: Polygamy in the Bible
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Originally Posted by TK Burk
Dr. Vaughn, I sincerly hope you don't counsel. 
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What would you counsel them with? Your preconceived reservations and your own mindset or the plain word.. the WORD says they are ONE FLESH did Paul not say their bodies belonged to each other and as such are called to please each other?
What would your counsel be?
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08-06-2008, 11:44 PM
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Re: Polygamy in the Bible
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
Really? This answer surprises me. ...that you would offer vague support for any polyamorous relationship....
A husband and wife's private sexual "ventures" should be with one another. There should be no third party involved.
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Miss Brattifield,, says who? Seriously.. is this your opinion as well or is the scripture forbidding it?
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08-06-2008, 11:45 PM
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Re: Polygamy in the Bible
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Originally Posted by TK Burk
There is a difference between a SLAVE and a SERVANT. A SLAVE had NO RIGHTS. A SERVANT had many rights.
No offense, but you really need to study some more on these issues.
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There is no difference between the terms "slave" and "servant"
Colossians 3:22
Servants(doulos), obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God;
1401 // doulov // doulos // doo'-los //
from 1210 ; TDNT - 2:261,182; n
AV - servant 120, bond 6, bondman 1; 127
1) a slave, bondman, man of servile condition
1a) a slave
1b) metaph., one who gives himself up to another's will
those whose service is used by Christ in extending and
advancing his cause among men
1c) devoted to another to the disregard of one's own interests
2) a servant, attendant
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08-06-2008, 11:45 PM
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Re: Polygamy in the Bible
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Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn
Ok if your through with your emoticom revival there.. answer the question he asked
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The emotioncoms are NOT the problem. Did you read what you said? Wow! You really think the Mishna, Talmud, and Masoretic Text are the same things? No wonder we're having this discussion. Doc, you really have not studied Jewish history or customs, have you?
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The Bible is open to those that want Truth, and if they want Truth, they find Truth. They watch individuals squabble over Bible symbolism on the Internet, and leave the Message boards to enter into the real world where live people dwell, and they find Truth. The World Wide Web is full of Internet Ayatollahs who speak their mind. There is only one Truth, and it is not hidden. No matter what anyone says, Truth still converts the sincere.
-DD Benincasa, 12/06/03
www.tkburk.com
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