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Old 10-17-2008, 01:01 PM
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Brother Blume did you need to get that off your chest?
No. I actually thought it was speaking well of the UPCI. Those who left were disgruntled and should have left. Not all who ever left, though, were disgruntled.

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I believe that the UPCI leadership has intended to spend the next few years working to create some needed calm in the organization. The last few years have been pretty contentious politically and there is a need for calm.
I agree.
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I am happy to confess I am a Hold the Fort preacher unashamed.
Isn't "HOLD THE FORT" a defeatist song that indicated we're barely holding on, under attack to close annihilation, waiting for Jesus to come?
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I'm reading a lot of criticisms concerning the structure of the UPCI. Does anyone have any info as to how it compares to the structure of other organizations?
From my experience, the organizational structure and support for the individual church that I found while attending the UPCI is unparalleled within the ranks of Apostolic organizations.

This is the impression I got from what I personally witnessed, what I have heard people discuss and what I have experienced while attending other Apostolic, non-UPCI churches.
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I am happy to confess I am a Hold the Fort preacher unashamed.
Thanks to Martin Luther and others, though, you are no longer a Catholic.

I'm glad ML didn't try to "hold the fort." Nail the theses to the door!!!!!! Dratted Roman Catholic Basilica building fund indulgences!!!!! Off with their proverbial heads...oh wait...that was the fate of thousands of Huguenots in France in the mid-1500's--because they tried to reform the RC "Fort."

Holding the Fort is good--but sometimes, it's bad. Soooooo...as long as the "fort" means the "Word", then I'm all for it.
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Isn't "HOLD THE FORT" a defeatist song that indicated we're barely holding on, under attack to close annihilation, waiting for Jesus to come?
It does seem to be the opposite of go out unto all the world doesn't it?
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Old 10-17-2008, 02:56 PM
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LOL, you guys need to read/watch some history about forts! Forts were where people went when they were under attack. You did not live in the fort, (typically). Most forst even had the soldiers' quarters outside. The common people lived outside, sometimes several miles away.
But, I know it is sometimes much better to have fun at an old songs expense!
Just don't make a theological statement out of it
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LOL, you guys need to read/watch some history about forts! Forts were where people went when they were under attack. You did not live in the fort, (typically). Most forst even had the soldiers' quarters outside. The common people lived outside, sometimes several miles away.
But, I know it is sometimes much better to have fun at an old songs expense!
Just don't make a theological statement out of it
"Hold the fort" is an idiom, and means: to be left in charge of a situation or place while someone is away.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you--just pointing out that it's an idiom, and thus doesn't have to reflect the literal meaning of "hold the fort." (whatever that may be)
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Old 10-17-2008, 03:23 PM
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Isn't "HOLD THE FORT" a defeatist song that indicated we're barely holding on, under attack to close annihilation, waiting for Jesus to come?
A little like "shall the Son of Man find faith on the earth when He returns."
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A little like "shall the Son of Man find faith on the earth when He returns."
Holding the fort is a defensive position.

I don't think that holding a fort is a position of faith. Going forth would be a position of faith.
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