"Apostolics" would not exist if not for some holiness-minded Methodists that got a hold of God over in Topeka around the turn of the twentieth century.
Talk about revisionist history?!
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"Apostolics" would not exist if not for some holiness-minded Methodists that got a hold of God over in Topeka around the turn of the twentieth century.
Talk about revisionist history?!
But we weren't supposed to be a split off or the child of the Methodist church, you see, we went back and experienced the restoration of the apostolic Christian church.
"Apostolics" would not exist if not for some holiness-minded Methodists that got a hold of God over in Topeka around the turn of the twentieth century.
Talk about revisionist history?!
Is this yet another, "Inconvenient Truth?"
Or another question is could it be possible that God saved souls who were Catholic, living what they knew?
In the Dark Ages, the avg Serf couldn't read you know.
However for some, the answer is a resounding, "No, they were all lost and all are burning in hell and have been there since 1492!"
No scripture for it, but somehow that just never sat right with me.
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Glad you said "IMHO." I disagree. I think all ministers who are paying dues should be allowed to vote on the national and district level. I do think, however, that only pastors should vote on the sectional level.
George, I tend to agree with you on this.
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"Apostolics" would not exist if not for some holiness-minded Methodists that got a hold of God over in Topeka around the turn of the twentieth century.
Talk about revisionist history?!
I understand you not understanding. The Acts 2:38, Jesus name Church has existed since the day of pentecost. I understand where your coming from.. as far as trinity guys in N. America getting a revelation.. and so forth.. but the true Church, the Bride of Christ, did not rise from false doctrine. It started in Acts chapter 2. God bless.
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"Apostolics" would not exist if not for some holiness-minded Methodists that got a hold of God over in Topeka around the turn of the twentieth century.
Talk about revisionist history?!
If it wouldn't have been for the ONE GOD we would not be here. It is by the ONE GOD we are here, and not by anything else. It is HIS WORD, HIS SPIRIT, HIS WILL, HIS POWER, HIS CHURCH, HIS PLAN, AND HIS GRACE.
Uh can we get to the juicy details / updates about the conference. And please, explain things in laymens terms. Everyone here DOES NOT know UPCI jargon. I have no clue what these resolutions 1-6 or what have you is all about.
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Brother Mike, the "book of Acts" church didn't emerge from the trinity church. It's the original.
I'm just not familiar with the term "emerging church". But the book of Revelation does say to "come out of her my people.......". Maybe we're still in the process of coming out.....
Good points, Sarah.
However, the church of 2008 is so far removed from the Book of Acts church, in my opinion, that we need to "emerge" from the secular view of what church should be, back "into" the book of Acts model.
The early church reached the entire continent of Asia with the gospel in the space of 2 1/2 years, without the aid of telephones, cars, internet, DVDs, etc.
How are we coming along with that in 2008? Not so good, I think.
We've become more enamored with buildings, and programs that feed the ego of our own members than we are with reaching souls.
As Vesta Mangun says, we continue to preach to the same few people week after week, and it's becoming increasingly difficult to even keep THEM happy.
Our songs are tailored to keep our members happy, the temprerature in the sanctuary is set to keep people happy, and the list goes on.
Show me anywhere in the Book of Acts where people came to the same building week after week and waited for the sinners to come to them? I'm not against church, but I AM against the same people just coming back to the same building three times a week, and waiting for the sinner to stroll in, when the Bible clearly says they "WENT INTO ALL THE WORLD".
I love the UPC, but I daresay our commitment to going into the world and reaching the lost has become somewhat overshadowed by "being separate" from the world. We may be separate in our dress, but not necessarily in the way we have church.
That's my two cents!
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However, the church of 2008 is so far removed from the Book of Acts church, in my opinion, that we need to "emerge" from the secular view of what church should be, back "into" the book of Acts model.
The early church reached the entire continent of Asia with the gospel in the space of 2 1/2 years, without the aid of telephones, cars, internet, DVDs, etc.
How are we coming along with that in 2008? Not so good, I think.
We've become more enamored with buildings, and programs that feed the ego of our own members than we are with reaching souls.
As Vesta Mangun says, we continue to preach to the same few people week after week, and it's becoming increasingly difficult to even keep THEM happy.
Our songs are tailored to keep our members happy, the temprerature in the sanctuary is set to keep people happy, and the list goes on.
Show me anywhere in the Book of Acts where people came to the same building week after week and waited for the sinners to come to them? I'm not against church, but I AM against the same people just coming back to the same building three times a week, and waiting for the sinner to stroll in, when the Bible clearly says they "WENT INTO ALL THE WORLD".
I love the UPC, but I daresay our commitment to going into the world and reaching the lost has become somewhat overshadowed by "being separate" from the world. We may be separate in our dress, but not necessarily in the way we have church.
That's my two cents!
I agree 100% with what you are saying, & only part with the part in bold.
I don't think it is a total separation issue as it is a love of comfort.
I read a book recently where the author compares the North American Church with Laodicea, it is rich & increased with goods & yet it is naked & poor.
Jesus commended two Churches in the book of Revelation, Smyrna the persecuted Church, and Philadelphia the faithful Church.
Both were not Mega Churches, not wealthy at all.
Compare that to Laodicia a rich and seemingly prosperous Church, that God called to repentance.
We need to be a soul wining Church for sure, myself included!
However, the church of 2008 is so far removed from the Book of Acts church, in my opinion, that we need to "emerge" from the secular view of what church should be, back "into" the book of Acts model.
The early church reached the entire continent of Asia with the gospel in the space of 2 1/2 years, without the aid of telephones, cars, internet, DVDs, etc.
How are we coming along with that in 2008? Not so good, I think.
We've become more enamored with buildings, and programs that feed the ego of our own members than we are with reaching souls.
As Vesta Mangun says, we continue to preach to the same few people week after week, and it's becoming increasingly difficult to even keep THEM happy.
Our songs are tailored to keep our members happy, the temprerature in the sanctuary is set to keep people happy, and the list goes on.
Show me anywhere in the Book of Acts where people came to the same building week after week and waited for the sinners to come to them? I'm not against church, but I AM against the same people just coming back to the same building three times a week, and waiting for the sinner to stroll in, when the Bible clearly says they "WENT INTO ALL THE WORLD".
I love the UPC, but I daresay our commitment to going into the world and reaching the lost has become somewhat overshadowed by "being separate" from the world. We may be separate in our dress, but not necessarily in the way we have church.
That's my two cents!
Have you been talking to my pastor Michael? Preach it my brother.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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