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Old 10-27-2008, 02:34 PM
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Breaking the child's leg hitting with his fist...he deserves what he got and should blame no one but himself.

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Yes, he deseves punishment. But I think 11 years was to harsh.

This week a young man got out of prison after two years. hewas involved in dismembering and disposing of a classmates body.

Another young man just released after 4 years. his crime. He drug a state trooper to his death after the trooper tried to reach into his car and take the keys.

I just think the sentence was to harsh...but then again I sat in visitation with this kid over 50 times while he was locked up in County Jail.
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Old 10-27-2008, 02:35 PM
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Judges don't take too kindly to hiding behind the "religous" skirts [so to speak]. They make the penalty harsher because they feel Christians should practice what they preach! Can you blame them?
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Here's a sad case. I know of a 20 yr old upc raised young man who spanked his 2 yr old daughter. apparently to hard. The closed fist to the thigh broke her leg.

I visited this kid in county jail for over a year while he was going thru the legal system (Illinois) His mother goes to my church, he actually goes/went to a neighboring upc.

This was his first offense.

During the trial the wife did state that he had spanked the child once beofre to hard and left bruising.

Long and short of it in illinois causing harm to a chiild is a class X felony.

He was sentenced o 11 years in Prison and under Illinois law he will do 85% of that sentence or about 8 years.

He was acrive in his church and in fact had just come in from teaching a home bible study.


My thoughts are that the harsh sentence was over the top for a first time offense.

At his trial the court gallery was full of long hair and long dress's from his church and they played up that he was a good boy, a good Christian.
The "hey, I'm a Christian" did'nt set well the judge, who could have given him the minimum sentence of 6 years.

He's been in State prison 6 hours away from his family now for about two years.
When you cross reference this story with the story that I just commented on on another thread, something does not add up. When you have people getting out in 7 years after being convicted of attempted murder and car-jacking......... I do believe that he absolutely deserves punishment and perhaps anger management, but it doesn't add up to me.
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Yes, he deseves punishment. But I think 11 years was to harsh.

This week a young man got out of prison after two years. hewas involved in dismembering and disposing of a classmates body.

Another young man just released after 4 years. his crime. He drug a state trooper to his death after the trooper tried to reach into his car and take the keys.

I just think the sentence was to harsh...but then again I sat in visitation with this kid over 50 times while he was locked up in County Jail.
My ex-husband visited a child molester from our church almost daily for a year. He had more mercy in his heart than I did. Don't mess with the children... The Bible says it would be better that a millstone be hanged around the person's neck and they be cast into the sea than to hurt one of these little ones. I stand with Jesus on this one

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Judges don't take too kindly to hiding behind the "religous" skirts [so to speak]. They make the penalty harsher because they feel Christians should practice what they preach! Can you blame them?
Not really.

My former pastor, pulled over for speeding one time on the way to a hospital call, explained to the officer, pleading "I'm a preacher"

The cop told him "then you should know better" , and wrote him a ticket
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Old 10-27-2008, 02:42 PM
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Not really.

My former pastor, pulled over for speeding one time on the way to a hospital call, explained to the officer, pleading "I'm a preacher"

The cop told him "then you should know better" , and wrote him a ticket


It isn't that I don't empathize because I am sure the young man showed lots of remorse. But do you know how much anger was wrapped up in that young man to hit his 2 year old daughter in the leg with his fist? He should have found another outlet for his anger toward the frustration of being a parent.
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Old 10-27-2008, 02:48 PM
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To say the bible doesn't teach spanking is error. It does say use a rod which was a switch like thing that would be flexable causing pain but not injury. I use the belt, left welts a few times, ain't gonna kill em.

Proverbs 23:14 (Whole Chapter)
Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell


Proverbs 23:13 (Whole Chapter)
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To say the bible doesn't teach spanking is error. It does say use a rod which was a switch like thing that would be flexable causing pain but not injury. I use the belt, left welts a few times, ain't gonna kill em.

Proverbs 23:14 (Whole Chapter)
Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell


Proverbs 23:13 (Whole Chapter)
Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die



30The blueness of a wound cleanseth away evil: so do stripes the inward parts of the belly.
What? I don't agree with the bolded statement and not sure where you got it from.
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To say the bible doesn't teach spanking is error. It does say use a rod which was a switch like thing that would be flexable causing pain but not injury. I use the belt, left welts a few times, ain't gonna kill em.

Proverbs 23:14 (Whole Chapter)
Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell


Proverbs 23:13 (Whole Chapter)
Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die



30The blueness of a wound cleanseth away evil: so do stripes the inward parts of the belly.
Does beating your child with a rod deliver his soul from hell? If so, we have a new plan of salvation.

And beating him, doesn't cause eternal life, either.

You're going to have to come up with different scriptures to convince me, because I can't take the ones in Proverbs literally as I illustrated.
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Does beating your child with a rod deliver his soul from hell? If so, we have a new plan of salvation.

And beating him, doesn't cause eternal life, either.

You're going to have to come up with different scriptures to convince me, because I can't take the ones in Proverbs literally as I illustrated.
What do them scriptures mean? what does beat with a rod mean?
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