UPCI Ministers and Televison - Page 3

Scott Hutchinson · #21 11-01-2008, 06:29 PM

I'm not agains't the UPCI,I'm not apart of it,hows does the manual explain the difference about advertising on TV,and a person owning one ?

Charnock · #22 11-01-2008, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmyrrs

I relize I may get blasted by many or ignored for starting this thread.

This thread is not about standards but about telling the truth.

If you are a licensed minister with the UPCI and have a televison PLEASE explain your stance on it.
I do not have a current manual, but am aware of what is stated in the 2006 manual, Article VII, Section 7, #31, under Ministry.

As of 2007 the application for a license still had the question, do you have a televison?

How can one preach the truth yet live a lie?

According to the UPCI bylaws, a minister can...

Have a television program, but not a television.
Advertise on television, but not own one.
Watch anything on the internet, including porn, but not own a television.
Watch television anywhere but in his own home, unless his wife or kids "own" the television.
Purchase full seasons of television programs.

Herein is the problem with legalism. There is always a loophole. A minister can watch anything, literally ANYTHING on the internet. Shows from abc.com, cbs.com, fox.com and much more of the exact same content found on the box we call television.

The trouble is, you seem to worship the almighty manual. Why not return to the Word of God?

Charnock · #23 11-01-2008, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmyrrs

I have more respect for the man that did not lie than that for the Presbyter who used a play on words. I agree they should have a strict Affirmation Statement for the officials.

You know what hurts the most. I was raised in the UPCI and would hold licenses in it today except I could not / would not tell that lie. I love the UPCI, but it hurts me to see and know several ministers who will do wrong and a blind eye by others be turned to it. Where is their love for the truth. They say they stand for the Word of God. I've talked to a few and they say it's for the better good. I must ask, where does this thinking come from?

So, if you are you are not in the UPCI, why in the world do you even care?

Do I detect bitterness?

Two words.

Move on.

Pastor Keith · #24 11-01-2008, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmyrrs

I relize I may get blasted by many or ignored for starting this thread.

This thread is not about standards but about telling the truth.

If you are a licensed minister with the UPCI and have a televison PLEASE explain your stanch on it.
I do not have a current manual, but am aware of what is stated in the 2006 manual, Article VII, Section 7, #31, under Ministry.

As of 2007 the application for a license still had the question, do you have a televison?

How can one preach the truth yet live a lie?

To watch the church commercials that same manual said that can be produced by UPCI ministers.

meBNme · #25 11-01-2008, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmyrrs

That is a cop out and a lot are using it. Does that make it ok.

No.

Sweet Pea · #26 11-01-2008, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmyrrs

Maybe I should have used the word STAND instead?????

I think you mean "stance"

ManOfWord · #27 11-01-2008, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmyrrs

I have more respect for the man that did not lie than that for the Presbyter who used a play on words. I agree they should have a strict Affirmation Statement for the officials.

You know what hurts the most. I was raised in the UPCI and would hold licenses in it today except I could not / would not tell that lie. I love the UPCI, but it hurts me to see and know several ministers who will do wrong and a blind eye by others be turned to it. Where is their love for the truth. They say they stand for the Word of God. I've talked to a few and they say it's for the better good. I must ask, where does this thinking come from?

Are you saying that owning a TV should be the "litmus" test for fellowship?

Certainly, you're not serious? Of all the things a minister could be doing and some ARE doing, you're concerned about someone committing the heinous crime of owning a TV? MANY UPC officials own TV's. Dude, the camel's nose is in the tent and you're just a wee bit too late on this one!

There is absolutely NO WAY that "they" will EVER rid the UPC of TV. It's just too late and the internet has made it a moot point anyway!

meBNme · #28 11-01-2008, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by tv1a
We've been over this before. They call a television a monitor. Legalism is a wonderful thing..... not!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by jimmyrrs

Why?

Be careful here. While there is some truth to his statement, as some do just that. (and they are wrong for it.)
His statement is a (very large) blanket statement covering not just the hypocrites who say "I have no TV, I have a monitor" But they get the same channels everyone else with a TV has. It also covers every other person who has any reservations about TV, and limiting/abandoning its use in general.

Yes, it strongly gives the impression that the author holds ......disdain towards anyone who stands for limited use of video entertainment.
If its a screen, and can play video only from an external source and there is no broadcast video feed into it, then it is a monitor.

Some people feel that is perfectly OK, and do not receive or watch broadcast TV.
Some people seem to believe that that is hypocritical and that if you wont watch TV then you should disallow all types of video, screens of any type, often including Internet, and submit yourself to being labeled an ultra con, right wing nut job.

They often also believe that if you watch anything in any form you should permit everything because there is no difference between watching "finding nemo" on the DVD player fed to a monitor and watching "SAW3" on broadcast HBO. No difference between email, news, and Christian forums on the web than having the family sit down for an "American pie" marathon on TV.

It's so easy to bash anyone who rejects TV when you can lump them all into the ultra con hypocrite handbag. It makes opening ones mind unnecessary.
It also makes it very easy to justify ones own view of accepting whatever comes over the TV guide, when you can view anyone else as hypocrites.

meBNme · #29 11-01-2008, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ManOfWord

Are you saying that owning a TV should be the "litmus" test for fellowship?

Certainly, you're not serious? Of all the things a minister could be doing and some ARE doing, you're concerned about someone committing the heinous crime of owning a TV? MANY UPC officials own TV's. Dude, the camel's nose is in the tent and you're just a wee bit too late on this one!

There is absolutely NO WAY that "they" will EVER rid the UPC of TV. It's just too late and the internet has made it a moot point anyway!

Lets not play games here.
It has nothing to do with "committing the heinous crime of owning a TV".
It has everything to do with saying you won't do something, saying you are not doing something, and then doing it anyway.

That was the whole nature of his question.
Had he asked it about chewing bubble gum, everyone would have been discussing the hypocrisy of saying you wont, but chewing it anyway.

Throw TV into it, and people have a hissy fit going off on tangents defending their pet ideals on TV, totally missing the point of the post.

scotty · #30 11-01-2008, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmyrrs

I have more respect for the man that did not lie than that for the Presbyter who used a play on words. I agree they should have a strict Affirmation Statement for the officials.

You know what hurts the most. I was raised in the UPCI and would hold licenses in it today except I could not / would not tell that lie. I love the UPCI, but it hurts me to see and know several ministers who will do wrong and a blind eye by others be turned to it. Where is their love for the truth. They say they stand for the Word of God. I've talked to a few and they say it's for the better good. I must ask, where does this thinking come from?

Oh puulleezzz. Put down the "self righteous" bull horn.

You ask "where is their love for the truth" and then in the next sentence talk about standing for the "Word of God". Yet your argument is against a rule of man not the Word of God..

I have spoken to some pastors also and have found that the general opinion is they will sign the little card because over all the UPC is a good organization to be a part of. But they do not neccesarily agree with everything. I am a member of a UPC church. We have members who don't adhere to the "custom" standards but are still very much Holy Ghost filled saints of God.

If they have a TV in their home and use it to watch dvd's or such.. oh well.

Personally its a double standard to allow internet without restrictions but not TV. Another falicy of the UPC. They have several. But I have always been a member and don't fore see that changing. It is a great group in bringing together the body of Christ.

Funny, everyone claims we can not be perfect yet they expect UPC to be perfect. Of course thats probably because its in the manual that the UPC is perfect. Forgot what section, paragraph, article.