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Old 11-03-2008, 07:52 AM
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Re: *WOW*Obama says he'll Destroy the COAL INDUSTR

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wow! it just came on the news yesterday! of course I got home late last night.

I didn't see it if it did.

I admit, I'm not up on politics like some of the people here.
You're fine with it, Mark. It's still on the top page with Drudge, so it remains front page news.
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Old 11-03-2008, 07:53 AM
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Re: *WOW*Obama says he'll Destroy the COAL INDUSTR

Just went back 4 pages and saw nothing HO.

Maybe it's worth bringing up again??

some of you need to add a little more spark to your thread titles
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Old 11-03-2008, 07:55 AM
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Re: *WOW*Obama says he'll Destroy the COAL INDUSTR

Where was McCain and the GOP on all of this? This should've been out weeks ago! And why haven't the 527 groups like the Swift Boat Veterans of 2004 been out there with commercial after commercial replaying Rev. Wright, Obama's "bitter people" speech, Michele O's "first time...to be proud of America" speech, etc? For me its too much, too little, too late. The last time a Republican refused to "go negative" (Bob Dole) when there were legitimate personal issues present he lost.
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Old 11-03-2008, 08:00 AM
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Where was McCain and the GOP on all of this? This should've been out weeks ago! And why haven't the 527 groups like the Swift Boat Veterans of 2004 been out there with commercial after commercial replaying Rev. Wright, Obama's "bitter people" speech, Michele O's "first time...to be proud of America" speech, etc? For me its too much, too little, too late. The last time a Republican refused to "go negative" (Bob Dole) when there were legitimate personal issues present he lost.

DB, I still think there is a chance that McCain will win the electoral vote.

PA, OH and W.VA are all states that are heavily dependant on coal
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Old 11-03-2008, 08:04 AM
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Where was McCain and the GOP on all of this? This should've been out weeks ago! And why haven't the 527 groups like the Swift Boat Veterans of 2004 been out there with commercial after commercial replaying Rev. Wright, Obama's "bitter people" speech, Michele O's "first time...to be proud of America" speech, etc? For me its too much, too little, too late. The last time a Republican refused to "go negative" (Bob Dole) when there were legitimate personal issues present he lost.
I don't know where I read or heard this, but it was in the last couple of days.

What appears to be happening is the information is getting out by other groups supporting McCain. By doing that the focus isn't so much on McCain going negative, but letting others do it for him because the American people want to decide for themselves and they don't want McCain deciding for them. That is why his numbers are going up for one thing.

Obama is staying under radar in order to try and glide through to win. He doesn't go tit for tat with McCain because he will have to answer big questions. If he lays as low as possible he appears to be the one in control and more presidential. Personally, I believe the average American can see through that.

Obama has not been able to capture the white Christian voter which comprises about 1/3 of all voters. He is scoring less than Gore and Kerry on that account.

McCain scores much higher in confidence on National Security, therefore, I can't look at the polling and believe it for Obama.

There are too many grassroot considerations that are just not going Obama's way. No one is paying attention to this.
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Old 11-03-2008, 09:09 AM
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DB, I still think there is a chance that McCain will win the electoral vote.

PA, OH and W.VA are all states that are heavily dependant on coal
I'm not giving up, I just think the Mac campaign could have employed a better strategy. They always like to paint advertising that questions a person's character or personal choices as "negative" and that the electorate is turned off by it, but the Dems and the liberal media never seem to adress the hypocrisy of questioning Mac's age, or Palin's wardrobe or pregnant daughter or Pentecostalism. They play hardball under the guise of "journalism" to give it a sense of legitimacy. The GOP sometimes gets intimidated by the Big Media Monopolies, Hollywood Snobs and Ivy League Intellectuals. We think that if we cave in to their rhetorical "different kind of politics", they'll see us as honorable and respect us. Its a ruse.

So-called "negative advertising" works, it just has to be used wisely. You can't harp on Bill Ayers for one week and then move on to something else. When the poll numbers started to change about mid September, the ads on Wright, Ayers, Khalidi, Raines, Rezko, etc should've hit the airwaves non-stop until election day. If the American electorate hears it enough times, it will begin to resonate. You can't give it one week and then change the subject. I think the attacks on taxes should've started earlier too. It just seems like Mac and his campaign waited too late to hammer away on all of these legitimate questions about Barack.

With McCain's history of reaching across the aisle, maybe he just didn't have the stomach for it, I don't know, but its perplexing that should he lose he may end up losing the war with nuclear weapons in his arsenal.
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Old 11-03-2008, 09:15 AM
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I'm not giving up, I just think the Mac campaign could have employed a better strategy. They always like to paint advertising that questions a person's character or personal choices as "negative" and that the electorate is turned off by it, but the Dems and the liberal media never seem to adress the hypocrisy of questioning Mac's age, or Palin's wardrobe or pregnant daughter or Pentecostalism. They play hardball under the guise of "journalism" to give it a sense of legitimacy. The GOP sometimes gets intimidated by the Big Media Monopolies, Hollywood Snobs and Ivy League Intellectuals. We think that if we cave in to their rhetorical "different kind of politics", they'll see us as honorable and respect us. Its a ruse.

So-called "negative advertising" works, it just has to be used wisely. You can't harp on Bill Ayers for one week and then move on to something else. When the poll numbers started to change about mid September, the ads on Wright, Ayers, Khalidi, Raines, Rezko, etc should've hit the airwaves non-stop until election day. If the American electorate hears it enough times, it will begin to resonate. You can't give it one week and then change the subject. I think the attacks on taxes should've started earlier too. It just seems like Mac and his campaign waited too late to hammer away on all of these legitimate questions about Barack.

With McCain's history of reaching across the aisle, maybe he just didn't have the stomach for it, I don't know, but its perplexing that should he lose he may end up losing the war with nuclear weapons in his arsenal.
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Can you look over this link and comment? Thanks!

http://www.marstonchronicles.info/in...=94&Itemid=118
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Old 11-03-2008, 09:16 AM
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Re: *WOW*Obama says he'll Destroy the COAL INDUSTR

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I'm not giving up, I just think the Mac campaign could have employed a better strategy. They always like to paint advertising that questions a person's character or personal choices as "negative" and that the electorate is turned off by it, but the Dems and the liberal media never seem to adress the hypocrisy of questioning Mac's age, or Palin's wardrobe or pregnant daughter or Pentecostalism. They play hardball under the guise of "journalism" to give it a sense of legitimacy. The GOP sometimes gets intimidated by the Big Media Monopolies, Hollywood Snobs and Ivy League Intellectuals. We think that if we cave in to their rhetorical "different kind of politics", they'll see us as honorable and respect us. Its a ruse.

So-called "negative advertising" works, it just has to be used wisely. You can't harp on Bill Ayers for one week and then move on to something else. When the poll numbers started to change about mid September, the ads on Wright, Ayers, Khalidi, Raines, Rezko, etc should've hit the airwaves non-stop until election day. If the American electorate hears it enough times, it will begin to resonate. You can't give it one week and then change the subject. I think the attacks on taxes should've started earlier too. It just seems like Mac and his campaign waited too late to hammer away on all of these legitimate questions about Barack.

With McCain's history of reaching across the aisle, maybe he just didn't have the stomach for it, I don't know, but its perplexing that should he lose he may end up losing the war with nuclear weapons in his arsenal.

I agree with you. I think as you get older, you mellow out and don't like to fight much. McCain only seems to fight when there is intense pressure on him. It seems to bring out the best in him.



You're so right. They should have hammered this non stop ( or let someone else do it like they are doing now).

The Republican party didn't run a very good campaign
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Old 11-03-2008, 12:02 PM
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Re: *WOW*Obama says he'll Destroy the COAL INDUSTR

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Just went back 4 pages and saw nothing HO.

Maybe it's worth bringing up again??

some of you need to add a little more spark to your thread titles
The report is embedded in a couple posts, not in the thread title itself. It's ok though, some might have missed it in the other thread.
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Old 11-03-2008, 12:41 PM
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The report is embedded in a couple posts, not in the thread title itself. It's ok though, some might have missed it in the other thread.
Correct. I posted the information on this post here:
http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...79&postcount=7

I didn't make a separate thread out of it. Maybe I should have.

But at this point, it's just starting to feel like information like this is too little, too late. The actual interview in question took place in January 2008.
McCain's people should have been all over this months ago. It's ridiculous that the story had to be broken by some little-known website, and then carried on Drudge before America started to take notice of this. McCain has been trying too hard to be Mr Nice Guy, and not hit Obama in the mouth when he should have.... even though Obama's been hitting him in the mouth from the very beginning. Well, being Mr Nice guy usually causes you to lose, as it seems McCain is about to do.

He's run a very weak campaign. I'm really starting to wonder if Mitt Romney would have been a better candidate.
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