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04-02-2007, 10:41 PM
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crakjak,
Do you believe that satan and the fallen angels will be reconciled to God also?
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04-03-2007, 07:59 AM
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crakjak
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Originally Posted by Jekyll
I have stated before, He doesn't reject us, we reject Him. We have freedom to do things that alienate us from Him.
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To truly reject Christ, one must truly know Christ.
NO HUMAN BEING who truly comes to know Christ will reject Him ever.
They may stray, due to weakness of the flesh, but will never deny or reject Christ.
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04-03-2007, 08:01 AM
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crakjak
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Originally Posted by stmatthew
crakjak,
Do you believe that satan and the fallen angels will be reconciled to God also?
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God has both the time and power to purge, cleanse and reconcile satan and the fallen angels. Will He do so, I don't know. "With man it is impossible, but with God all things are possible."
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04-03-2007, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by crakjak
To truly reject Christ, one must truly know Christ.
NO HUMAN BEING who truly comes to know Christ will reject Him ever.
They may stray, due to weakness of the flesh, but will never deny or reject Christ.
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Nonsense.
You can speak for the rest of humanity in what they will or will not do then base a doctrine on that faulty assumption??
I can reject a Toyota or a Honda without knowing anything about them but just like what I am driving and continue on in my preference even though it may be a piece of junk...
God gave the ultimate sacrifice...no matter who you are you have to apply it to your life...
Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? God forbid...
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04-03-2007, 10:48 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by crakjak
To truly reject Christ, one must truly know Christ.
NO HUMAN BEING who truly comes to know Christ will reject Him ever.
They may stray, due to weakness of the flesh, but will never deny or reject Christ.
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Would you mind expounding further upon that supposition? I think it is only true if you take it into the realm of "semantics" and not in the realm of reality.
Many reject Christ and thus never get the opportunity to know Him.
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04-03-2007, 05:07 PM
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crakjak
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Originally Posted by Jekyll
Nonsense.
You can speak for the rest of humanity in what they will or will not do then base a doctrine on that faulty assumption??
I can reject a Toyota or a Honda without knowing anything about them but just like what I am driving and continue on in my preference even though it may be a piece of junk...
God gave the ultimate sacrifice...no matter who you are you have to apply it to your life...
Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? God forbid...
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With all due respect God is not a Honda or Toyota. He is the Savior of the world.
Roman 5. 12-21 Tells us that what the first Adam did for the human race (condemnation), the second Adam did even more (reconciliation). How much of the race did Adams cause condemnation? Jesus sacrifice covers the same number. The point being that without any effort on your part you were condemned, likewise is the free gift.
Do you continue in sin, of course not, your are reconciled so enter in to life thru Jesus blood. Otherwise you will go thru judgement and punishment (the setting of things right).
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04-03-2007, 05:22 PM
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crakjak
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Originally Posted by rrford
Would you mind expounding further upon that supposition? I think it is only true if you take it into the realm of "semantics" and not in the realm of reality.
Many reject Christ and thus never get the opportunity to know Him.
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Can someone "truly" reject someone they do not know? We may hear about someone and not like what we hear, but many times when we get to "know" that person we actually do like them.
The statment came from my heart, and that is "to know God is to love Him."
In Him there is no darkness, someone may walk away from relationship out of their sense of being inadequate. I don't consider that as rejecting Him, but rather actually reflects not knowing Him.
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04-03-2007, 09:44 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by crakjak
With all due respect God is not a Honda or Toyota. He is the Savior of the world.
Roman 5. 12-21 Tells us that what the first Adam did for the human race (condemnation), the second Adam did even more (reconciliation). How much of the race did Adams cause condemnation? Jesus sacrifice covers the same number. The point being that without any effort on your part you were condemned, likewise is the free gift.
Do you continue in sin, of course not, your are reconciled so enter in to life thru Jesus blood. Otherwise you will go thru judgement and punishment (the setting of things right).
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Just using absurdity to explain absurdity. Your semantics do not make your argument correct...
Sorry, once saved isn't always saved.
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04-03-2007, 09:50 PM
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crakjak
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Originally Posted by Jekyll
Just using absurdity to explain absurdity. Your semantics do not make your argument correct...
Sorry, once saved isn't always saved.
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Maybe, just maybe it is absurdity to avoid addressing the plain presentation of the scriptures. 
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04-03-2007, 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by crakjak
Maybe, just maybe it is absurdity to avoid addressing the plain presentation of the scriptures. |
No maybes. It is useless to discuss plain scripture with one who creates a whole new doctrine other than that found in scripture. I don't find your universal reconciliation anywhere in scripture.
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