The dangers of not having a Pastor in your Life... - Page 6

Pastor Keith · #51 11-06-2008, 07:59 AM

Ephesians 4:11
And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,

Why did God give these gifts of leadership to the church?

Taken from Psalm 68
You have ascended on high,
You have led captivity captive;
You have received gifts among men,
Even from the rebellious,
That the LORD God might dwell there.

Amos · #52 11-06-2008, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ILG

Somebody should maybe start a thread "The Dangers of Having a Pastor in your Life".

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Seriously, you would be hailed as a great sage and a spiritual genius here for a thread like that.

Randy, on the other hand, is going to be picked apart.

Withdrawn · #53 11-06-2008, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by keith4him

Ephesians 4:11
And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,

Why did God give these gifts of leadership to the church?

Taken from Psalm 68
You have ascended on high,
You have led captivity captive;
You have received gifts among men,
Even from the rebellious,
That the LORD God might dwell there.

Ephesians 4.12, "For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:"

"for the work of the ministry" = to serve

God already dwells in the church. Anyone IN the church has the Holy Ghost, which is God's abiding presence. Everyone IN the church has the same anointing of the Holy Ghost. Each may have different gifts, but all have the same anointing.

Bro. Keith, I'm not trying to be contentious, and I appreciate the spirit of your post. I sense from you (here and many other posts) that you truly do have a servant's heart, and it sounds like you are a loving and supportive pastor. There are some, though, who are woefully self-righteous and think they have the market on truth. Their response to a challenge of their views is to accuse and shame or use sarcasm, not to edify and restore, speaking the truth in love. How dare anyone challenge their supposed "authority" or their tradition?!

Thank you for your even keel.

OneAccord · #54 11-06-2008, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Amos

Randy, on the other hand, is going to be picked apart.

Randy's gonna be picked apart? Why? For telling the truth? Funny thing is, I haven't read his post in detail. But, according to Eph 4, God GAVE pastors, along with the other 4 ministerial gifts. I don't know about you folks, but I need EVERY gift God gives! "For God so loved the world, He GAVE His only begotten Son...." I need Jesus! "...and ye shall recieve the gift of the Holy Ghost". I NEED the Holy Ghost. "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God..." I NEED wisdom.

If God did, in fact, give pastors, how in the wide world of sports can we say we don't need them? No, we don't need dictorial pastors who use the Bible as a club to beat the sheep into submission. Let me ask you a question. When a person passes away in you family, who do ya call to conduct the funeral? Who do ya call when theres a marriage to officiate? Who visits the nursing homes and hospitals? Pastors are servants to the church, they aren't spare tires to be used in emergencies only. The next time you need someone to perform a wedding, call the Sears repairman. When you need counseling, call the cable guy. When you need someone to help you thru a crisis, and, eventually you WILL need someone to help you through a crisis, call your local auto repair service. Then, when you draw a blank with all of the above, call a pastor. See who shows up first. Thank God for pastors. Thank God for pastors after God's own heart.

Pastor Keith · #55 11-06-2008, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by jaamez

Ephesians 4.12, "For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:"

"for the work of the ministry" = to serve

God already dwells in the church. Anyone IN the church has the Holy Ghost, which is God's abiding presence. Everyone IN the church has the same anointing of the Holy Ghost. Each may have different gifts, but all have the same anointing.

Bro. Keith, I'm not trying to be contentious, and I appreciate the spirit of your post. I sense from you (here and many other posts) that you truly do have a servant's heart, and it sounds like you are a loving and supportive pastor. There are some, though, who are woefully self-righteous and think they have the market on truth. Their response to a challenge of their views is to accuse and shame or use sarcasm, not to edify and restore, speaking the truth in love. How dare anyone challenge their supposed "authority" or their tradition?!

Thank you for your even keel.

Thank you for your kind words, but the passage 4:12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry,

This passage actually means that leaders equip others to serve in their ministry (not so much a description of what kind of leader but what they do and their importance) , of course servant leaders role model and disciple other servant leaders.

I won't dispute the idea that the Holy Spirit dwells in his church body, but within that Church body there are unique giftings that enables the Lord to speak to, and to lead his church.

The nine gifts of the Spirit enable the Body of Christ to specifically discern and follow the direction of the Holy Spirit. So is the same with ministry elders/leadership they are equipped uniquely and gifted to fulfill a role in the Body and without that there is diminished and sick body.

freeatlast · #56 11-06-2008, 08:30 AM

I thank God for my pastor, like Jaamez, I now have a pastor that is a true mentor in my life, even though he is mush younger than I.

He is such a good teacher, not fearing that he may not be in "the manual" but is assured he's in The Bible.

Also, like Jaamez I have had a reat example in my life, that has taught me much about how not to do it....and I do love the Ol boy, although he is now dead.

He left to me some great lessons on how not to treat God's family.

revrandy · #57 11-06-2008, 12:33 PM

2 Chronicles 22

Athaliah and Joash
10 When Athaliah the mother of Ahaziah saw that her son was dead, she proceeded to destroy the whole royal family of the house of Judah. 11 But Jehosheba, [e] the daughter of King Jehoram, took Joash son of Ahaziah and stole him away from among the royal princes who were about to be murdered and put him and his nurse in a bedroom. Because Jehosheba, [f] the daughter of King Jehoram and wife of the priest Jehoiada, was Ahaziah's sister, she hid the child from Athaliah so she could not kill him. 12 He remained hidden with them at the temple of God for six years while Athaliah ruled the land.

This kid was raised in Church.... @ 7 yrs old he Became King....

edjen01 · #58 11-06-2008, 12:39 PM

better check out what he ended up doing once he became king....

Rhoni · #59 11-06-2008, 12:47 PM

I thank God for a pastor who can feed me. By this I mean; He is a good teacher, studies, and can discuss scriptures with me.

revrandy · #60 11-06-2008, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhoni

I thank God for a pastor who can feed me. By this I mean; He is a good teacher, studies, and can discuss scriptures with me.

Me too....

A Good Pastor is a great benefit in a world where it's getting harder and more difficult to find good folks....

except on here of course....