Is Allah God?....Dragons?

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by nahkoe

How many Jews do you think were in Israel at that time?

3000 on the day of Pentecost, and then 5000 in Acts chapter 4. And at the end of Acts 2, it says that the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved. Those were *all* Jews. Until Acts chapter 10, the Gentiles were not included in those numbers at all.

The population of Jerusalem was around 60,000 before the 70 AD destruction of the city. (30,000 according to another source, with the population swelling to around 80,000 or more during festivals....that source seems a bit flaky though).

I hate a woman who can think...

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

No. Most at Pentecost... not most in Israel!!!

From what I'm looking at right now....during the Feast of Firstfruits, *all* Jewish men would have been in Jerusalem. So if it was most at Pentecost....

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

I hate a woman who can think...

Thank you...I think.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

They have a misconception of God, like the Jews.

Muslims are not even in the same ballpark as the Jews, in that regard. The Jews and us Christians worship the same God, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The Muslims do not.

The Muslim religion was begun by a deceiving spirit that pretended to be the Gabriel of the Bible, supposedly speaking on behalf of the God of Abraham. This spirit gave Mohammed multiple revelations that blatantly contradict he Bible and the New Testament gospel. Islam teaches a path to the knowledge of God which, if true, makes the Gospel a total lie.

Two of the many Koranic contradictions of the Bible:

1... The Korah states rather clearly, "Proclaim: Allah is One. Allah is Eternal. He neither begets nor was begotten." (Surah 112:1-4). In Christianity, we believe that Jesus was begotten. (John 1:14, John 3:16)

2...The Korah regards Jesus as a prophet, but asserts that he was not crucified. "But they killed him [Christ] not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them. They killed him not."(Surah 4:157 ). But as Christians we know that the crucifixion of Jesus is an integral part of God's salvation plan for mankind.

Paul already warned of those who bring another gospel... if even an angel (Gabriel?) were to bring such a gospel, let him be accursed (Gal 1:8).

Islam is a demonic religion serving a demon god, an impostor.

Originally Posted by nahkoe

Not all did...Actually, if you can do math at all and read your book of Acts, *most* accepted Him as the Messiah.

Most accepted him? What verse of scripture says that? I don't remember seeing that.

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Most accepted him? What verse of scripture says that? I don't remember seeing that.

What verse says most didn't?

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by nahkoe

What verse says most didn't?

You're serious?

I didn't make the assertion that most of the Jews accepted Jesus as Messiah.
You made the assertion.
So I assumed you had some scripture for it.

If your assertion wasn't based on scripture, what was it based on?

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

You're serious?

I didn't make the assertion that most of the Jews accepted Jesus as Messiah.
You made the assertion.
So I assumed you had some scripture for it.

If your assertion wasn't based on scripture, what was it based on?

It's based on information gleaned from several students and teachers of Middle Eastern History.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by nahkoe

What verse says most didn't?

All right, I can't think of any verse that tells us which proportion of Jews accepted Jesus as Messiah and which proportion did not.

In John 1:11 it says that He came unto His own and His own received Him not.
I take that to mean that on the whole, His own people (Jews) did not receive Him. This seems to say to me that the majority did not receive Him.

When Jesus wept over Jerusalem and said they would not see Him again until they said Baruch Ha Ba B'shem Adonai (Blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord) I take that to mean that Israel as a group (not all individuals but most) rejected Him and will not accept Him until some time in the future.

Blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fulness of the Gentiles is come in. The branches which were natural Israel have been cut off and spiritual Israel has been grafted in. But some time in the future there will be a turning to YHWH/Yeshua and Israel will be grafted back in. That's the way I understand the 144,000 in Revelation and the few couple chapters of Ezekiel and Zechariah in the Old Testament. Also, the parables of the groups invited to the wedding (Matthew 22:1-14); the two sons (Matthew 21:28-3) and the vineyard (Matthe 2:33-21).

I realize not all of us see some of these things the same way.

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by Sam

All right, I can't think of any verse that tells us which proportion of Jews accepted Jesus as Messiah and which proportion did not.

In John 1:11 it says that He came unto His own and His own received Him not.
I take that to mean that on the whole, His own people (Jews) did not receive Him. This seems to say to me that the majority did not receive Him.

When Jesus wept over Jerusalem and said they would not see Him again until they said Baruch Ha Ba B'shem Adonai (Blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord) I take that to mean that Israel as a group (not all individuals but most) rejected Him and will not accept Him until some time in the future.

Blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fulness of the Gentiles is come in. The branches which were natural Israel have been cut off and spiritual Israel has been grafted in. But some time in the future there will be a turning to YHWH/Yeshua and Israel will be grafted back in. That's the way I understand the 144,000 in Revelation and the few couple chapters of Ezekiel and Zechariah in the Old Testament. Also, the parables of the groups invited to the wedding (Matthew 22:1-14); the two sons (Matthew 21:28-3) and the vineyard (Matthe 2:33-21).

I realize not all of us see some of these things the same way.

Could John 1:11 just be talking about the Jews' history of turning from God? If the passage is taken in order, that part comes before the Word was made flesh.

[Jermyn Davidson]

C'mon now....

Would the Jews have knowingly killed their Messiah? NO WAY!

They did not accept Him as Messiah, by and large.

Peter addressed this in the 2nd chapter of Acts.