Thanksgiving vs Christmas

[George]

Originally Posted by jaxfam6

Celebrate good times, come on! (Let's celebrate)
Celebrate good times, come on! (Let's celebrate)

There's a party goin' on right here
A celebration to last throughout the years
So bring your good times, and your laughter too
We gonna celebrate your party with you

Come on now

Celebration
Let's all celebrate and have a good time
Celebration
We gonna celebrate and have a good time

It's time to come together
It's up to you, what's your pleasure

Everyone around the world
Come on!

It's a celebration

Celebrate good times, come on!
It's a celebration
Celebrate good times, come on!
Let's celebrate

We're gonna have a good time tonight
Let's celebrate, it's all right
We're gonna have a good time tonight
Let's celebrate, it's all right

Baby...

We're gonna have a good time tonight (Ce-le-bra-tion)
Let's celebrate, it's all right
We're gonna have a good time tonight (Ce-le-bra-tion)
Let's celebrate, it's all right


:shockam oo

Whoa!!!! Jax is GETTIN' DOWN!!!!!!!!

[jaxfam6]

Originally Posted by George

Whoa!!!! Jax is GETTIN' DOWN!!!!!!!!

That should be our Christian theme song. =) That is what we are preparing for, a big ole party in heaven one day.

[ronharvey]

Originally Posted by jaxfam6

I have a question for all of you who do not celebrate Christmas. I have no problem with you deciding not to. I have no problem with it being a "spiritual" thing for you or if it is just a "cheap" thing for you. Doesn't matter.
What I would like to know is do you celebrate Thanksgiving? Why or why not?
If you do not celebrate Christmas but do celebrate Thanksgiving please explain what your reasoning is.

Personally I celebrate both. I do know all the arguments about Christmas I just think it is a good thing that most of the world recognizeds our Saviour's birth. We do not make a big production out of it but it is a special time for our family. I celebrate Thanksgiving because of what it means to America.

So what about the rest of you??

No to Christmas: Pagan

Yes to Thanksgiving: American holiday in giving thanks to God for bringing our Fore Fathers through the winter through the help of Native American Indians.

[jaxfam6]

Originally Posted by ronharvey

No to Christmas: Pagan

Yes to Thanksgiving: American holiday in giving thanks to God for bringing our Fore Fathers through the winter through the help of Native American Indians.

Just a question


So God used pagans to help the early colonists and it is okay to celebrate a holiday to thank God and the pagans that helped us survive but not okay to take a holiday that started in pagan roots and use it to celebrate the birth of our Saviour and King?

both have Pagans involved

I am only trying to understand not criticize

[My Own Eyes]

Originally Posted by Sept5SavedTeen

I vote "nay" on xmas, but "yea" on Thanksgiving. There is nothing in the Bible against Thanksgiving, unlike Jer. 10 being enough Scripture for me to see xmas and it's heatheness. Also, Thanksgiving isn't commercial, which is a plus. Overindulging in Thanksgiving food may be wrong, but being with your family, on a day particularly set aside for giving thanks to the Judeo-Christian GOD, while having NO pagan connotations is good in my book- but some brothers esteem no days higher than any other, and that's fine with me too (not that I am the judge or anything, or what I think matters).

-Bro. Alex

But is it REALLY about the judeo-christian God???

I mean, when you think of the first Thanksgiving, between the pilgrims and the indians....only half of them were giving Thanks to the Christian God.

So technically doesn't Thanksgiving have pagan roots as well?

I think just to be safe you better shun turkey this year!

[jaxfam6]

Originally Posted by My Own Eyes

But is it REALLY about the judeo-christian God???

I mean, when you think of the first Thanksgiving, between the pilgrims and the indians....only half of them were giving Thanks to the Christian God.

So technically doesn't Thanksgiving have pagan roots as well?

I think just to be safe you better shun turkey this year!

I understand your comments. I don't want Alex or anyone else to take that as a slam. They have the right to feel how they do. I really would like to understand more about how a lot of think and why.

[My Own Eyes]

Originally Posted by jaxfam6

I understand your comments. I don't want Alex or anyone else to take that as a slam. They have the right to feel how they do. I really would like to understand more about how a lot of think and why.

I didn't intend for it to be a slam at all, and I apologize if it at all sounded like it. I have no issue with the personal convictions of others whatever they may be. My only issue lies when those others try to take their personal conviction and use it to legislate morality for all others.

For example, I personally believe that people shouldn't spend money that they don't have, and incur debt. And I personally do my whatever is in my power to avoid it. However, I don't personal judge others who carry a balance on their credit cards. Nor do I feel that my debt free state makes me in anyway spiritually superior to those who have debt (regardless of the fact that it was due to conviction from God that I felt led to payoff all my debt).

Now, as to Thanksgiving, just because I find it interesting, I am including an article that I happened across...

http://paganismwicca.suite101.com/ar...ng_pagan_roots

Native American and Pagan European Roots

The Wampanoag had their own harvest celebration in which they gave thanks for abundant crops to Kiehtan, the Creator. They believed corn, the most valued crop, was a gift from him. The tribe expressed gratitude to the spirits of the game for the animals they killed for food.

By the time Abraham Lincoln declared Thanksgiving a national holiday in 1861, other Europeans had settled in America and brought their traditions, some Pagan, with them.

Harvest festivals were celebrated by Europeans. Romans celebrated Cerelia by giving thanks to Ceres, Goddess of Harvest. Celtic and Anglo/Saxon Pagans celebrated Lughnasadh and Mabon, the first and second harvests. The Greeks gave honor to Demeter during the Thesmophoria. The New Englanders’ Pagan ancestors celebrated Harvest Home, the first reaping of crops, in August. There was a silent time for gratitude and reflection, followed by singing and dancing after which a joyous feast was held.

[jaxfam6]

Originally Posted by My Own Eyes

I didn't intend for it to be a slam at all, and I apologize if it at all sounded like it. I have no issue with the personal convictions of others whatever they may be. My only issue lies when those others try to take their personal conviction and use it to legislate morality for all others.

For example, I personally believe that people shouldn't spend money that they don't have, and incur debt. And I personally do my whatever is in my power to avoid it. However, I don't personal judge others who carry a balance on their credit cards. Nor do I feel that my debt free state makes me in anyway spiritually superior to those who have debt (regardless of the fact that it was due to conviction from God that I felt led to payoff all my debt).

Now, as to Thanksgiving, just because I find it interesting, I am including an article that I happened across...

http://paganismwicca.suite101.com/ar...ng_pagan_roots

You do know you have just ruined Thanksgiving for several people now? They will no longer be able to celebrate in peace. This was the one last Holiday they could truly celebrate without fear of something pagan being brought into it. You have just SHATTERED their dreams.

[My Own Eyes]

Originally Posted by jaxfam6

You do know you have just ruined Thanksgiving for several people now? They will no longer be able to celebrate in peace. This was the one last Holiday they could truly celebrate without fear of something pagan being brought into it. You have just SHATTERED their dreams.

If I have, I don't exalt in it. I would rather they learn, as I believe that I have that God judges based on our hearts, our thoughts, our experiences, and our motivations. (Which is why we can never ever judge another person, because we are seriously lacking the big picture!).

You have two people... One is a wiccan/pagan, and they celebrate the holidays that we call Thanksgiving and Christmas as harvest festivals, or the winter solstice, and they chant and make offerings to pagan Gods.

You have another person, a Christian, and on Thanksgiving they get together with family, and eat turkey and stuffing, and show gratitute towards God for all the blessings in their life. And on Christmas they celebrate the amazing fact that God so badly wanted a relationship with us, that he became one of us, to ultimately save us. And they decorate their house, and eat cookies, and sing carols and rejoice with their families.

I just don't honestly see how the two people can be judged as both celebrating "pagan" holidays.

[jaxfam6]

Originally Posted by My Own Eyes

If I have, I don't exalt in it. I would rather they learn, as I believe that I have that God judges based on our hearts, our thoughts, our experiences, and our motivations. (Which is why we can never ever judge another person, because we are seriously lacking the big picture!).

You have two people... One is a wiccan/pagan, and they celebrate the holidays that we call Thanksgiving and Christmas as harvest festivals, or the winter solstice, and they chant and make offerings to pagan Gods.

You have another person, a Christian, and on Thanksgiving they get together with family, and eat turkey and stuffing, and show gratitute towards God for all the blessings in their life. And on Christmas they celebrate the amazing fact that God so badly wanted a relationship with us, that he became one of us, to ultimately save us. And they decorate their house, and eat cookies, and sing carols and rejoice with their families.

I just don't honestly see how the two people can be judged as both celebrating "pagan" holidays.

I am with you.