I am the one that said that I hope the shooter never gets caught.
If he is caught, he is looking at attempted murder charges and it will be extremely difficult for him to beat those charges, imo.
This makes me sick to my stomach. Someone drives him off the road and the demonized shooter (who may actually be some kid's Elementary School teacher having a very bad day) will now suffer because of his response to someone else's wrong doing.
I liken this whole situation to sin.
There are folks who have been wronged, deeply wronged, in life. To deal with life's improprieties, they sink into a life of self-destructive sin.
Unless they repent, they have the misfortune of being wronged in this life, suffering more in this life in part by their own bad decisions, and THEN when they die, their sins bring eternal judgment to their souls and they suffer forever.
I HATE SIN!!!
(and I really don't like idiot drivers)
Incredible...both actions were wrong doing, yet you can only assume ONE of them was having a bad day? Shoot someone and get away with it if you were just having a bad day!
This guy was uninjured. They other guy was shot and his window blow into pieces and you hope he does not get caught...wow.
What if the driver was killed by that bullet....that's murder no matter how you spell it. His action was not even reciprocal. Pull up next to the guy and flip him off...brandish a gun and scare him (I don't approve of those) but seriously wound a driver with a hand gun and you are ok with that? Now don't say you are not ok with it and then say you hope he does not get caught and that the other guy deserved it. That just sounds disengenuine. That is your contradiction.
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Wow. Interesting topic to say the least. Whats interesting is this is almost a daily issue in the big city where I am from. Road Rage is just common now a days. And yes, there have been countless shootings because someone did this or that. In some parts you even have to be careful what you are doing with your hands as someone can inturrept it as some gang sign. How many times a day are you driving and someone behind you is in a rush and if you don't just move over fast enough, you get that stair down for a few seconds or the flashing lights to move over, or that bad finger sign. Still, there is no reason to pull a gun and shoot someone
Incredible...both actions were wrong doing, yet you can only assume ONE of them was having a bad day?
1) Shoot someone and get away with it if you were just having a bad day!
This guy was uninjured. They other guy was shot and his window blow into pieces and you hope he does not get caught...wow.
2) What if the driver was killed by that bullet....that's murder no matter how you spell it.
His action was not even reciprocal. Pull up next to the guy and flip him off...brandish a gun and scare him (I don't approve of those) but seriously wound a driver with a hand gun and you are ok with that?
3) Now don't say you are not ok with it and then say you hope he does not get caught and that the other guy deserved it.
That just sounds disengenuine. That is your contradiction.
1) If this was out of character for you, would you want to be caught and dealt with publicly? It would be better for this guy to turn himself in. If he is caught, he would have many more bad days ahead. He too should be given the opportunity to learn and move on, speculating that this is a good guy that made a bad decision.
He is responsible for his own actions, but this was not unprovoked. Charging him with attempted murder will never address the fact that he was provoked by the idiot driver.
2) I stated I am glad for both parties involved that the idiot driver was not killed.
It's preposterous for some to think this, but what if it was the will of God for this to happen to the idiot driver? He really could have died in all of this, but God allowed him to learn a lesson instead-- that's if he learns from this.
3) Do you consider Robin Hood to be a "criminal" or a hero? I have empathy for the demonized in this case. I am not insincere in expressing this, neither does my empathy reflect any contradiction in my mind because I know that life, sometimes, is not just cut and dry.
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Regardless of why THIS guy was provoked, Christians have separate biblical mandates for how to react to difficult, provocative situations, and shooting people for being idiots isn't on the laundry list.
I believe we have the right to defend our lives, homes and loved ones, but beyond that--seeking revenge, especially through violent means, is decidely UNChristian.
The correct recourse for dealing with an idiot driver is to jot down their license number and call the police.
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1) If this was out of character for you, would you want to be caught and dealt with publicly? It would be better for this guy to turn himself in. If he is caught, he would have many more bad days ahead. He too should be given the opportunity to learn and move on, speculating that this is a good guy that made a bad decision.
Wait...this is based on whether or not I would want to be caught? You think a serial rapist wants to get caught? You think any criminal wants to get caught? I would not want to get caught, then again I would not pack a gun in my car and shoot someone.
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He is responsible for his own actions, but this was not unprovoked. Charging him with attempted murder will never address the fact that he was provoked by the idiot driver.
Using that sort of logic a LOT of criminals in prison right now for murder should go free. Most of them think they were provoked. O.J. probably thought he was provoked...
Again the idiot shooter was unharmed yet rather than just flip the other guy off or driver dangerously close to the other guys car to scare him or even brandish a weapon...HE SHOT HIM! That is NOT justified
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2) I stated I am glad for both parties involved that the idiot driver was not killed.
Well good for you.
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It's preposterous for some to think this, but what if it was the will of God for this to happen to the idiot driver?
What if, what if, what if....you know how dangerous that game is? What IF it was God's will to cut that driver off?
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He really could have died in all of this, but God allowed him to learn a lesson instead-- that's if he learns from this.
That is a terrible way to justify something...you know a lot of idiots out there justify all kinds of terrible crimes against humanity by claiming it was God's will. Let's just deal with the facts as we know them. It was NOT justified. This was an act of revenge and it was vastly unequal.
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3) Do you consider Robin Hood to be a "criminal" or a hero?
Robin hood probably would not shoot someone with an arrow, wounding them, for cutting his horse off. He is also a fantasy, but YES they guy was a criminal.
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I have empathy for the demonized in this case. I am not insincere in expressing this, neither does my empathy reflect any contradiction in my mind because I know that life, sometimes, is not just cut and dry.
I KNOW you do...that is what is so scary and why I think you should not be allowed to own a steak knife, let alone a gun. Who knows what you will justify as being provoked enough to attempt to kill someone.
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That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Regardless of why THIS guy was provoked, Christians have separate biblical mandates for how to react to difficult, provocative situations, and shooting people for being idiots isn't on the laundry list.
I believe we have the right to defend our lives, homes and loved ones, but beyond that--seeking revenge, especially through violent means, is decidely UNChristian.
The correct recourse for dealing with an idiot driver is to jot down their license number and call the police.
Yep...vigilante justice is illegal for a good reason and that reason is there are a LOT of idiots out there packing heat just looking for a "Provocation"
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Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
I could add another to the list. Common here in LA style traffic.
Those who drive with a 10-30 car length distance between them and the next car..... Even in bumper to bumper traffic going 10-20 miles an hour.
I just love all the idiots who ignore the "merge: lane ending" signs and speed past all us poor schmucks then try to jump in at the marquee arrow. I do everything in my power to make them wait.
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Wait...this is based on whether or not I would want to be caught? You think a serial rapist wants to get caught? You think any criminal wants to get caught? 1) I would not want to get caught, then again I would not pack a gun in my car and shoot someone.
2) Using that sort of logic a LOT of criminals in prison right now for murder should go free. Most of them think they were provoked. O.J. probably thought he was provoked...
Again the idiot shooter was unharmed yet rather than just flip the other guy off or driver dangerously close to the other guys car to scare him or even brandish a weapon...HE SHOT HIM! 3) That is NOT justified
Well good for you.
What if, what if, what if....you know how dangerous that game is? 4) What IF it was God's will to cut that driver off?
That is a terrible way to justify something...you know a lot of idiots out there justify all kinds of terrible crimes against humanity by claiming it was God's will. Let's just deal with the facts as we know them. It was NOT justified. 5) This was an act of revenge and it was vastly unequal.
Robin hood probably would not shoot someone with an arrow, wounding them, for cutting his horse off. 6) He is also a fantasy, but YES they guy was a criminal.
I KNOW you do...that is what is so scary and why I think you should not be allowed to own a steak knife, let alone a gun. 7) Who knows what you will justify as being provoked enough to attempt to kill someone.
1) And I would not do what he did. I am simply stating that I understand his actions. Do I think his actions were right, no. But I do understand.
2) This is why I stated I would not want this guy to get caught. There is very little chance that the shooter would not get time for what he did. I understand that too.
3) I referred to this incident as possible "poetic justice"-- a terrible driver reaping what he has sown. However, I never said the shooter was right for shooting the guy. Wrong is still wrong.
4) Fact is, the shooter was provoked by an idiot. I am glad the idiot survived and I hope the shooter is never caught.
5) I don't disagree with you here. Though inappropriate, I understand how this act of vengeance was carried out.
6) But you got the point of what I was trying to say by bringing him up? For the record, if Robin Hood was real, I would NOT call him a criminal.
7) There are plenty others who have trusted me with much more. Have I made any kind of "attack" on you? Why are you trying to make this personal?
No answer needed.
Really, I understand.
Good night.
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