Both of these statements contrasts your most recent posts. Which is true?
Both it was a honest question that I knew would get a lot of response and that would make my day go by a lot faster since I have no court dates or clients to see till after christmas. And I still have no answer.
There is a deeply ingrained hostility toward holiness, strong new birth people here.
It didn't used to be that way, but it is now.
Vitriolic and venomous is how I would describe it.
But it's ok. I understand exactly why.
There are people here that Do NOT believe in Holiness standards. There always were, here, NFCF and at FCF. There are people here, and always were, that are One steppers. It was ALWAYS that way.
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The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Oh, maybe because being mocked and baited gets old.
You answer questions as if they were sincere, only to be sneered at and told the poster doing the asking just wanted to see if he could manipulate you.
That might do it.
When did i become a pastor??????!!!!!!!! Wow !!!!!!
My question was not about gluttony. It was why are other things that have proven to be addictive (caffiene) and harmful (phenylalanine) not preached against. I am not trying to justify anything. Just a question.
I would like to know why tobacco is a sin? Is it b/c its unhealthy? If thats the case a lot of things could be added to the list. Sugar, sodium, and phenylalanine. The last one is found in diet drinks and is known to cause multiple health issues. Is it b/c of the addiction? I have read that nicotine has the same addictive qualities as herion. If thats the case we should still adhere to the preachers I heard years ago preaching against caffiene.
This is the original post.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
You probably won't get many responses on this - I don't believe bible-thumpers can defend this - all the other stuff you listed is just as unhealthy if not unhealthier as smoking. They like to quote the "strong drink" scripture about drinking alcohol but alcoholic beverages are NOT the only strong drink - they want to preach against smoking the whole time downing cokes, coffee and fried chicken - but you let them catch me with a cigarette and oh my goodness - I am defiling my body, the temple of God (if they can say that much without stuffing their mouth full of fat infested, carbohydrate filled food) - does that state how I feel about it - LOL. Let me smoke 10 cigarettes a week and compare my health to someone who eats 10 meals a week at a fast food restaurant and let's see who is in better health - I would bet any amount of money I WOULD BE IN MUCH BETTER HEALTH!!!
I think this is the post that actually started the argument. By jtork.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
There are people here that Do NOT believe in Holiness standards. There always were, here, NFCF and at FCF. There are people here, and always were, that are One steppers. It was ALWAYS that way.
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My question was not about gluttony. It was why are other things that have proven to be addictive (caffiene) and harmful (phenylalanine) not preached against. I am not trying to justify anything. Just a question.
well I think that is a huge question and appears quite different than how you framed the orriginal question....
but if you want to talk about that I honestly think there is a huge difference between caffiene and nicotine.
you cannot smoke in moderation and not be harmed. you can drink coffee in moderation and not only not be harmed but actually get some benifits.
I dont know what Phenylalanine is.
As for gluttany, I really dont think most folk really know what that means. if one think it means eating too much from time to time, I would suggest that isnt a very good definition.
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