God is All Knowing So Why Does it Matter?

[Margies3]

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

I think the UPC did a big booboo in preaching against things and not principles.

Things change. Principles never do.

This is why continuing to preach against TV and men wearing beards is so silly today, even though there was a purpose way back when.

This is also why preaching against women wearing pants is silly in 2008. There was a time when pants were considered men's attire, but not today! Instead of preaching principles, we preach such silliness that no longer applies in today's society.

It's just as silly as preaching against stockings on women because men wore them in the 1700's, or nightgowns on women because men wore them in the 1800's. Is there anyone alive today that remembers those days?

There aren't many people except those around 50 and older who remember what it was like in 'the olden days'. From the time I was a kid, women have worn pants. They've worn women's pants.

For the kids of today, they don't understand the preaching about women wearing men's attire because they have pants on. They will AMEN the preaching because that's what they are supposed to do, but they really don't have a clue as to what it means, nor an understanding.

Let's preach principles. If we did that, we wouldn't have immodest skirt and dress-wearing girls and women in the church. But hey, they have 'holiness' because they wear the uniform!

Great post, H1. Good points here!

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by Margies3

Great post, H1. Good points here!

Thanks. But they still won't let me preach it!

[Margies3]

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

Thanks. But they still won't let me preach it!

of course not.

1) they would have to admit they might have been wrong

2) you are ----- oh gasp!! ------- a woman!

[He's My Friend]

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

My friend, .............................................

But I'm with you in that I personally am not allowing the UPC to raise my kids. I raise them with Biblical beliefs. If they come home with something the church teaches, I tell them to go to the Bible and see if the Bible agrees.

Thank you!

I am with you on this portion.

Mom taught us to take it to the Word..that is how I am raising my children.

[George]

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

I think the UPC did a big booboo in preaching against things and not principles.

Things change. Principles never do.

This is why continuing to preach against TV and men wearing beards is so silly today, even though there was a purpose way back when.

This is also why preaching against women wearing pants is silly in 2008. There was a time when pants were considered men's attire, but not today! Instead of preaching principles, we preach such silliness that no longer applies in today's society.

It's just as silly as preaching against stockings on women because men wore them in the 1700's, or nightgowns on women because men wore them in the 1800's. Is there anyone alive today that remembers those days?

There aren't many people except those around 50 and older who remember what it was like in 'the olden days'. From the time I was a kid, women have worn pants. They've worn women's pants.

For the kids of today, they don't understand the preaching about women wearing men's attire because they have pants on. They will AMEN the preaching because that's what they are supposed to do, but they really don't have a clue as to what it means, nor an understanding.

Let's preach principles. If we did that, we wouldn't have immodest skirt and dress-wearing girls and women in the church. But hey, they have 'holiness' because they wear the uniform!

I wholeheartedly agree. I do get your drift about Pharisees but I can't loop the entire UPC into that. There are plenty who are raising a group of Pharisees AND hypocrites but not all of them.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by StMark

Joy,

Let's ask ourselves this. What are the fruits of the churches that have left all the rules, no guidelines, just do as you please, and compare it to the churches that have maintained some disciplines.
Are they drawing closer to the Lord? Are they more spiritual than our pioneers? What does people who we KNOW that really have had a TRUE walk with God have to say about everyone becoming a law unto themselves such as Nona Freeman, TW Barnes, Billy Cole, and others who we know walked the talk.
I'm not focusing on JUST do's and don'ts. I realize that there will ALWAYS be those who just keeps laws on the outside and not have those laws written in their hearts, but I do think that everyone who walked close to God had an obedient spirit

For the record, TW Barnes allowed tv and sports. Back to your regular programming

[StMark]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

For the record, TW Barnes allowed tv and sports. Back to your regular programming

He was middle of the road. I'm not talking about being extreme.
I've been to TWB's church and they look very UPC

[Truthseeker]

You know what's hard, when you diagree with many things the church teaches(not standards) and you have kids.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by StMark

He was middle of the road. I'm not talking about being extreme.
I've been to TWB's church and they look very UPC

You think it's a compromise to allow TV??

[StMark]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

You think it's a compromise to allow TV??

I know many people who have been in TWBs home he NEVER had a TV

If you're going to be a licensed UPC preacher, then yes, I think it's a compromise to sign something and not live up to it - integrity comes to mind