FEAR FACTOR: Pentecostal/Apostolic Style

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by StMark

Okay, I understand that. I'm not one of those who believes that God can and does only move within the confines of the UPC or Apostolic churches. I believe God can move and do whatever he wants to.

However, but when it comes to "revelations", what new revelation are traditional Pentecostals missing or are we not moving towards? Is there a new one that's on the horizon or one that's been around for a while that they've missed?

I don't think it's extra biblical "revelations" but application of what we know already.

How many of us thought we need to get people in our churches in order for God to do anything in their lives.

Instead of realizing that power that a believer posses that they can minister to an unbeliever outside of a church building.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by StMark

I've heard of God's healing power and witnessed all of my life.
Jesus Name people should have both and many do.

You can get in trouble moving too much in the direction of "spirit only" and not enough Word and vice versa.

God is the only one that can keep us balanced. I think we can become discontented when we are in "wait" mode and not letting God lead.

We have seasons in our lives and we need to recognize that, IMO.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Jeanie

Well lets put it this way,

A group receives the revelation of baptism in Jesus name-

but another group get a revelation of the power of His healing,


Hasn't that been a issue to Jesus name people?

We have had issue with those who have a revelation of His healing power, but denounce them because they do not have a revelation of baptism?

This brings up an interesting question. Considering the "revelation" examples given. These revelations are not revelations at all. They are very present in the NT church. If the NT church had it right and were living in the full power of the gospel guided by the Holy Ghost, and we are not at that level in our churches today..... then.......... would it not have been "revelations" that has taken us away from the power of the original NT church ?

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by StMark

My father lived thru the "LATTER RAIN MOVEMENT". They thought they had a "New Revelation". God was moving in their churches and no longer moving in the traditional churches.

The latter rain movement not only gave the oneness churches a headache, but also the AoG.

Then, along came Willaim Branham with a "New Revelation" and God was no longer moving in the traditional Pentecostal churches. I heard it from THEIR mouths that the era of Pentecost was over.

There are MANY more that have come along with a new revelation that have ended in ruins.

Great men who have died and went on with the Lord lived through many of these so called "NEW REVELATIONS" including TW Barnes, David Gray, and many others. Thank God they didn't fall for anything just because it was the new thing to do

I understand that times change, culture changes, methods change, technology changes, I'm all for change, but when it comes to "New Revelations"??? I'm a little more cautious about that

Mark, Mow is not talking about a new revelation in the sense of William Branham and Latter rain movement-you know better than that.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Jeanie

I don't think it's extra biblical "revelations" but application of what we know already.

How many of us thought we need to get people in our churches in order for God to do anything in their lives.

Instead of realizing that power that a believer posses that they can minister to an unbeliever outside of a church building.

Good point. I heard a preacher say, "The greatest work you do will not be inside this building. It will be outside ministering to the lost and hurting!"

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by scotty

This brings up an interesting question. Considering the "revelation" examples given. These revelations are not revelations at all. They are very present in the NT church. If the NT church had it right and were living in the full power of the gospel guided by the Holy Ghost, and we are not at that level in our churches today..... then.......... would it not have been "revelations" that has taken us away from the power of the original NT church ?

I think it's been not enough personal dedication and being impatient with what God is trying to accomplish. He doesn't get in a hurry, but we are drive-through window mode. That's not going to work in the NT church, JMO.

[StMark]

Originally Posted by Jeanie

I don't think it's extra biblical "revelations" but application of what we know already.

How many of us thought we need to get people in our churches in order for God to do anything in their lives.

Instead of realizing that power that a believer posses that they can minister to an unbeliever outside of a church building.

I can agree with that. I've heard many in the UPC preach this point.
I think Joy Haney always advocated this didn't she?

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by scotty

This brings up an interesting question. Considering the "revelation" examples given. These revelations are not revelations at all. They are very present in the NT church. If the NT church had it right and were living in the full power of the gospel guided by the Holy Ghost, and we are not at that level in our churches today..... then.......... would it not have been "revelations" that has taken us away from the power of the original NT church ?

Then prehaps the word 'revelation' is the wrong word to use?

I think perhaps a rediscovery, or a second look-IDK-

Baptism in Jesus name has always been there, but when they realized thats what they needed to do-

What did they call it 100 yrs ago?

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Good point. I heard a preacher say, "The greatest work you do will not be inside this building. It will be outside ministering to the lost and hurting!"

I agree with that!

But I once went to a church that told me that I could not pray for people only ministers could!

Well,I now believe anyone with the holy ghost is a minster!

[StMark]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

You can get in trouble moving too much in the direction of "spirit only" and not enough Word and vice versa.

God is the only one that can keep us balanced. I think we can become discontented when we are in "wait" mode and not letting God lead.

We have seasons in our lives and we need to recognize that, IMO.

That's it!

What i see is, in past years, there was such an abuse of gifts and new revelations that many became overly cautious to the point that it was ALL word and no spirit.

Then, you have people who become hungry for more of God's presence and power and began to explore other options. in many cases, these people are so hungry they are very vulnerable and often end up worse off in the end

I have seen my share of churches split because of a PROPHECY or a prophet coming to town and saying God said such and such so I do understand the fear that people and preachers develop with all this "God is doing a new thing" stuff.

Even with all I've witnessed even first hand with this, I am STILL for prophecy and gifts. However, I believe it has to be under the confines of a good covering and establish doctrine or else it always proves to go fowl.