South County Christian Center

[bishopnl]

Thanks for the info! I ran a search on Roy Gerald, and it looks as though the church was in the UPC at one time: The 80's were a time of shaping for the church. Even though we were grateful for our heritage, there were substantive disagreements with the doctrinal stance of the affiliated denomination. These centered on our belief that Christians are saved by grace through faith. Our emphasis of a biblical understanding of grace resulted in our eventual separation from that denomination. Although our paths have diverged, we are still very mindful of the great contribution this denomination made to who we are today. Source

I really enjoyed the church, and it certainly looked as though they stressed the importance of baptism and Spirit infilling, even if they believe it is an experience subsequent to salvation. I was just curious about the background of the church...I didn't realize it had UPC connections. Did Roy Gerald leave in '92 or before?

[unitedpraise10]

South County Christian Center was a United Pentecostal Church back in the 80's pastored by Roy Gerald. They left the UPCI in the late 80's. My mom told me that she remembers going to sectional youth rallies at this church, and remembers Shawn Craig playing and singing at them, (he is now the pastor of the church). She also said that she remembers the church always being liberal about everything. The music was hip, the holiness standards were slack, among other things. Most of which are common among UPCI church today, but we'rent in the 80's.

South County Christian Center has experienced tremendous growth since leaving the United Pentecostal Church. They recently moved into the old South Side Assembly of God building, which seats 2,000. In fact this church is now located right down the road from Apostolic Pentecostal Church (UPCI)...which is the church I attend.

BTW...all of the singers in Phillips Craig & Dean were a part of the UPCI at one point in time. Randy Phillips' dad pastors PromisLand Church in Texas, which left the UPCI in the late 70's. Randy now pastors PromisLand Church West. Shawn Craig was raised in St. Louis, went to and was affiliated with Gateway College of Evangelism, (UPCI endoresd bible college), and now is pastor of South County Christian Center, which left the UPCI in the late 80's. I don't know much about Dan Dean, but I do know that he sang with CLC Youth choir and mass choir at Bro. Haneys' church in Stockton. I do believe that he is related the all of the Deans in Louisiana and Arkansas. Dan Dean was still in the UPCI until 1997.

[Disciple4life]

Bump Yeah I know it is an old thread!!!

I went to this church a few times. Nobody mentioned baptism or speaking in tongues.

Every time I went it was a great service. Pastor Craig did a phenomenal job preaching. I got a lot out of it and it really lifted me up.

But I wasn't sure I was in a Pentecostal church.
Even in a AOG church usually somebody speaks in tongues during prayer. When I went silence.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Disciple4life

Bump Yeah I know it is an old thread!!!

I went to this church a few times. Nobody mentioned baptism or speaking in tongues.

Every time I went it was a great service. Pastor Craig did a phenomenal job preaching. I got a lot out of it and it really lifted me up.

But I wasn't sure I was in a Pentecostal church.
Even in a AOG church usually somebody speaks in tongues during prayer. When I went silence.

If you were disappointed there then you would be at my church also. There is not a lot of whooping and hollaring and screaming out in tongues.

I believe the bible is pretty clear about the proper use of tongues in the church in I Corinthians 14:1-19. Pay particular attention to verse 19. I will post it here in KJV for the old timers who think it is the only valid translation;

1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.

2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

5 I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

6 Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?

7 And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?

8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?

9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.

10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.

11 Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.

12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.

13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.

14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?

17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.

18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:

19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.

[Disciple4life]

Originally Posted by CC1

If you were disappointed there then you would be at my church also. There is not a lot of whooping and hollaring and screaming out in tongues.

I believe the bible is pretty clear about the proper use of tongues in the church in I Corinthians 14:1-19. Pay particular attention to verse 19. I will post it here in KJV for the old timers who think it is the only valid translation;

1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.

2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

5 I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

6 Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?

7 And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?

8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?

9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.

10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.

11 Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.

12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.

13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.

14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?

17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.

18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:

19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.

I wasn't disappointed I was just a little confused.

My take on the subject is this. You can speak in tongues in service. You are not allowed to disrupt service though. If you feel led to speak out so that everyone can hear the message there has to be an interpretation. I have seen this happen many times. Multiple people speaking in tongues until a message comes forth and then everyone is quiet.

My two cents Everything has to be done with decency and order.

[Jermyn Davidson]

If you visit a Pentecostal Church, you should know you're in a Pentecostal Church.

[Disciple4life]

Does anyone here go to this church? Or know of it?

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

If you visit a Pentecostal Church, you should know you're in a Pentecostal Church.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

If you visit a Pentecostal Church, you should know you're in a Pentecostal Church.

that'll preach!!!!

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

If you visit a Pentecostal Church, you should know you're in a Pentecostal Church.

I would rather be characterized as a Christian church than a Pentecostal one. BTW your statement above was incredibly shallow. You sound just like one of those screaming preachers who throws red meat catch phrases out to the congregation like that to get some whoops and hollars and hanky waving.