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01-17-2009, 02:37 PM
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Re: Ultra Conservatives 'Go Hollywood'
Actually this DOES surprise me. I didn't think that the organization was big enough to allow for such lifestyles (granted, no $$$ numbers were actually revealed). But I suppose when you have a doctrine that "all tithes belong to the pastor", as many UC's do, then a relatively small church could support a single family living quite well.
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01-17-2009, 02:40 PM
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Re: Ultra Conservatives 'Go Hollywood'
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it is still jealousy. and gossip.
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How do you know it is jealousy and not rather his opinion of how we Christians ought to be based on scriptures?
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01-17-2009, 03:05 PM
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Re: Ultra Conservatives 'Go Hollywood'
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if he has the money give it all to missions and live a humble life...
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I know a pastor who does just that. And if he did not like the high living in the conservative camp it would have nothing to do with "jealousy"!!
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01-17-2009, 03:15 PM
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Re: Ultra Conservatives 'Go Hollywood'
One day beloved ones, we will ALL be called into judgement and our lifestyle will be weighed on scales that will weigh a world that never heard His name ever mentioned...
It will be a JUST balance....
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01-17-2009, 03:52 PM
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Re: Ultra Conservatives 'Go Hollywood'
God Bless ILG, Mizpeh,Praxeas, Randy, all the ladies, and Sister Aleve. I am Edified by your courageous posts. Let's Continue to Evangelize in spite of any obstacle! Highest Honour is Hear HIM say WELL DONE, MY Good & Faithful Servants! ENTER THE KINGDOM Salvation is not by corruptible silver and gold. Bless!
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01-17-2009, 04:05 PM
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Re: Ultra Conservatives 'Go Hollywood'
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Prominent WPF CEO shares lifestyle is one of rich and famous. From elite prestigous golf course closed community mansion home, backyard pool parties, lamborginis, selling church website 'space' subscriptions, weekend getaways to the beach, Cancun, high dollar hotel stays and weekly speaking engagements across the Nation flying first class--Excuse me and Jesus, WHAT am I 'missing'? Has ULTRACON gone Hollywood? Somebody help me understand. Jesus was with the poor, lepers, and not near a grocery store or a Resort. Jesus never had a vacation. Do you feel and share my heartbeat for God? Anyone else notice odd activity among WPF folks? Your opinions, if you please.
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Jesus told us to seek first the kingdom (or kingship) of God and that where are treasures are that is where our heart is. He also said that a rich man will hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven but it is possible with God's help. I don't know the person being spoken of here. He may indeed be wealthy but, aren't most of us wealthy to someone? God sees his heart and knows what place material goods may have in that heart. We can't see that. A person in a small house, clothes off the rack, and a mid-size car can actually be more materialistic than a person in a mansion, designer clothes, and a luxury vehicle.
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01-17-2009, 04:30 PM
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Sister Alvear
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Re: Ultra Conservatives 'Go Hollywood'
I remember reading somewhere we should write ASHES ONLY across everything we own...
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01-17-2009, 05:16 PM
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Re: Ultra Conservatives 'Go Hollywood'
Agree. Man of God I Tim 6:11 says But thou o Man of God flee these things, that I named, and follow after Righteousness, GODLINESS, Faith, Love,...Jesus spoke of plowing and looking back- carnal minded, not worthy of Kingdom but death. Ministers are not to live it up carnally.
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01-17-2009, 11:48 PM
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Re: Ultra Conservatives 'Go Hollywood'
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Originally Posted by Sam
Jesus told us to seek first the kingdom (or kingship) of God and that where are treasures are that is where our heart is. He also said that a rich man will hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven but it is possible with God's help. I don't know the person being spoken of here. He may indeed be wealthy but, aren't most of us wealthy to someone? God sees his heart and knows what place material goods may have in that heart. We can't see that. A person in a small house, clothes off the rack, and a mid-size car can actually be more materialistic than a person in a mansion, designer clothes, and a luxury vehicle.
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Good post Sam.
Should a Christ-follower feel guilty if they make good financial choices? If they are good stewards and God blesses them? If God blesses a person and they can live a certain lifestyle...why would I want anything less for them? Why not just rejoice with them over the blessings that God has given them...instead of questioning thier motives, Godliness, where-they-live, what-they-ware, etc...
Isn't that like "judging another man's servant"? They belong to God...let Him worry about what they are doing....be happy for them!!
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01-18-2009, 12:02 AM
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Re: Ultra Conservatives 'Go Hollywood'
I have never disparaged the income of others simply because it was more than mine. I've always defended the millionaire and their right to NOT be taxed into oblivion if for no other reason than I planned on being one some day myself.
However, there is something elitist about a group of UC preachers slapping themselves on their collective backs, glorying in their authority, while amen'ing each other being do a "double portion", that reminds me somewhat of the auto execs who were begging for money in front of congress -after flying there on their private jets.
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