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Aquila · #91 01-21-2009, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by pastorrick1959

Are these people free to remarry//

I think it's better to allow them to marry than to expect them to be single for the rest of their lives. I'd say that unless the divorce was on account of another's adultery the church is within her rights to deny a "church wedding" for the second marriage. Let them go to a justice of the peace. Also I'd say that the church is within her rights to deny anyone who divorces and remarries outside of the context of another's adultery a position in the church. Just my personal thoughts.

EA · #92 01-21-2009, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by scotty

PEACE

1 Corinthians 7
12 But to the rest I, not the Lord, say: If any brother has a wife who does not believe, and she is willing to live with him, let him not divorce her.
13 And a woman who has a husband who does not believe, if he is willing to live with her, let her not divorce him.
14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband; otherwise your children would be unclean, but now they are holy.
15 But if the unbeliever departs, let him depart; a brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases. But God has called us to peace. 16 For how do you know, O wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, O husband, whether you will save your wife?

If there can be no peace in the home, you should divorce. Even a holy ghost filled child of God will struggle in their walk with God if they can not live in peace. Verse 16 even goes so far as to give rights for divorce just based on the possibility that it will not work.

I know the conversation has been about adultry and abuse, but they and this go hand in hand. Someone living for God may make a mistake or fall in sin, but if they are willing to repent then they are still wanting the relationship with God, which gives hope for peace in their lives and in their home. If they are not repentant then the opposite is true and there will never be peace in the home. A house divided can not stand. Light and darkness cannot co-exist.

Wow, I think you have mangled the intent of that passage horribly. How in the world did you arrive at the conclusion that a lack of peace is a valid reason to divorce? EVERY marrriage has spans where peace is tenuous. Look at this version of the passage you posted.

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To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband.

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But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.

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To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her.

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And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him.

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For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.

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But if the unbeliever leaves, let him do so. A believing man or woman is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace.

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Nevertheless, each one should retain the place in life that the Lord assigned to him and to which God has called him. This is the rule I lay down in all the churches.

Several things here.

1. Wives must not initiate separation.
2. if she does she must never remarry. She must remain single, or be reconciled to her husband. Period.
3. A husband MUST NOT divorce his wife.
4. Christian spouses should stay married to unbelieving partners. Separation/divorce is only permissable if the unbelieving spouse abandons the marriage.
5. We should stay within the place God assigns us to. I would think that place includes the vows we made to God and our spouse.

LACK of peace is a very subjective reason to divorce, and it is simply not there Scotty. God's desire is that we have peace. That will only come as we honor the promises we made to God and our spouse.

EA · #93 01-21-2009, 07:42 AM

Further, that passage is specifically written to cover marriages of Christians to non-believers.

Cindy · #94 01-21-2009, 07:46 AM

Matthew 19:9

9And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

Cindy · #95 01-21-2009, 07:48 AM

Matthew 5:25

But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Cindy · #96 01-21-2009, 07:49 AM

Mark 10:12

And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

Aquila · #97 01-21-2009, 07:51 AM

I think it's important to remember that Paul isn't writing a blanket didactic teaching, this is a letter written to the Corinthians addressing a specific issue that was probably brought to his attention in a letter from them. We really don't know what Paul would say regarding physical or emotional abuse. In cases like these we must seek to be led by the Spirit on what would be the proper thing to do.

Even Christ's statements regarding divorce and adultery were specifically issued to the Pharisees to address their common behavior of putting away women and remarrying without any real reason. We don't know what Jesus would advise if a woman fell on her knees before him pleading for what to do about a husband that beat her.

Would the Holy Ghost admonish a woman to stay married to a man who beat her repeatedly or who tormented her emotionally?

Honestly, I just don't think so.

freeatlast · #98 01-21-2009, 07:52 AM

Do we believe that Our marriage to Christ is "forever" ?

If we become unfaithful to our faith, our Savior, does that end our relationship to him?

Does not a continuation in sin "annul" our marriage to the Lamb?

Does God/Christ expect us to stay in a marriage longer than He stays in his reltionship o his bride.?

Who among you (ecluding the once saved alays saved crowd) has not preached or heard it preached that if we are lukewarm he will spew us out of his mouth.

I don't think our strict views on divorce are as simple as we'd like to think.

Cindy · #99 01-21-2009, 07:52 AM

Matthew 5:31-32

31It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:

32But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

tbpew · #**100** 01-21-2009, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

Further, that passage is specifically written to cover marriages of Christians to non-believers.

So certainly it would not be any less of an expectation involving a union formed by vow between believers!

thanks for the summary...where I see It.5 indicates the same as my post (opps!)

Edward Anglin wrote:

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Several things here.

1. Wives must not initiate separation.
2. if she does she must never remarry. She must remain single, or be reconciled to her husband. Period.
3. A husband MUST NOT divorce his wife.
4. Christian spouses should stay married to unbelieving partners. Separation/divorce is only permissable if the unbelieving spouse abandons the marriage.
5. We should stay within the place God assigns us to. I would think that place includes the vows we made to God and our spouse.

This, IMO, is why any teaching that equates divorce to "remarriage enabled" puts a marriage established by a vow before God and between believers as a 'bound' condition that is only loosed by the death of the a spouse.