I shocked at the White remark in Lowery's prayer

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by PraiseHymn

Spare me please, he was just trying to find someting that rhymed.

Brown - Around
Yellow - Mellow
Red - Ahead
White - Right

For those who took the SAT or ACT, you'll notice that the prayer was pretty simple and not meant to be taken as a racist statement but mere rhyming.

You don't have to have an education to realize that it was also the only rhyme that bore a negative connotation. Good grief, don't drink the kool-aid people.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by freeatlast

I'd agree, just a closing rhyme, to a beuatiful prayer.

I'll welcome a prayer for me to do right anytime.

Just because you are white? Whites are not doing right, rhyme or not, is what he implied

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by jaxfam6

These very things, along with the gross waste of tax dollars, is why I refused to watch the circus that went on today.

I refused to watch it for the same reason I did not watch white men get inaugurated. BORING! I don't give a hoot about skin color or affiliation

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by PraiseHymn

Lets see what Webster's dictionary says a racist would be: 1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination
With that said, EVERYONE here on this website knows good and well what happened during slavery times. It was White individuals who sold African's (now called African American's) into slavery here in the United States of America.

We (BLACK PEOPLE) were not able to vote until 1869 "Passed by Congress February 26, 1869. Ratified February 3, 1870.

15th amendment.
The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

Why??????? Because white people did not want us to vote. Was that right? NO!!!!!!!!!

There was segregation between White people and Black people (such as eating in a restaurant, drinking from a water fountain, using a rest room, attending school, going to the movies, or in the rental or purchase of a home) WHY??? Because white people wanted segregation. It was not until the 1960's that this stopped (to an extent) Was that right? NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The two major examples that I just presented are clear that as a whole WHITE people did not do the RIGHT thing by blacks, so with that said no one on this board can point not one finger to say that what Lowery said was racist. Its the truth!

Granted, we now are in 2009 and have a black president and by no means and I trying to pull the "race card" but it is a proven fact that the United Stated of America never intended for black people to achieve anything higher than picking the masters cotton.

Ohhhh, we have all come a mighty long way, but the tables can never, no, WILL NEVER be able to be turned when it comes to what White Americans did to Black Americans in the past. Its a one way street. So in essence, a white person could never say "until blacks do whats right" when we are talking about racial inequality.

For the record, I'm not a racist nor did I see the statement that Lowery made to be a racist remark. Stop trying to rewrite history. It is what it is. White people did black people wrong (in the past) and now FINALLY we have begun to heal from all the pain and hurt that was caused. I thank and praise Jesus Christ (who is God almighty) that finally we are beginning to be as one. AMERICANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If it was not about race...why go through the "white man did this to blacks"?

What you just posted to me is a tacit admission that what he said about whites doing right IS about race and a negative comment about whites....I guess if you are not white I can see why you didn't have an issue with that.

[Praxeas]

BTW my poor white immigrants also helped build this nation and got treated like trash.......that's not me. That was them. I don't live my life based on what happened

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

If it was not about race...why go through the "white man did this to blacks"?

What you just posted to me is a tacit admission that what he said about whites doing right IS about race and a negative comment about whites....I guess if you are not white I can see why you didn't have an issue with that.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

BTW my poor white immigrants also helped build this nation and got treated like trash.......that's not me. That was them. I don't live my life based on what happened

PraiseHymn is NOT White, Prax, but I am, and I didn't see a problem with it, either. In hindsight, I can see why some did, but it never occurred to me to take it that way.

Perhaps it's my 24 yrs. in the Black Church that caused me to not see racism behind every tree.

As for PH's post and your quote above your poor White immigrant relatives, I can't believe you are equating being "treated like trash" with, let's start with lynching (not JUST a slavery issue...just ask 14 yr. old Emmett Till and the thousands of others lynched in the 20th century for nothing more than being Black).

Not quite the same as be treated like trash, IMHO...

And how about not being served in a public place or told to get off a bus or having to use separate drinking fountains and restrooms?!

Think that this is just mistreatment and not racially motivated, or that it was in the 50s and not relevant today?!

Try and tell that to my former pastor's then 17 yr. old sactified grand daughter who couldn't get service in a 7/11 in 2001...it happened, folks...

Could Rev. Lowrey have used another day to do what he did...perhaps.

But the posts on this thread have been MOST disappointing, especially the ones leveled at PraiseHymn.

Most insensitive, IMHO...!!

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Barb

PraiseHymn is NOT White, Prax, but I am, and I didn't see a problem with it, either. In hindsight, I can see why some did, but it never occurred to me to take it that way.

I gathered he was not white....

Perhaps it's my 24 yrs. in the Black Church that caused me to not see racism behind every tree.

Right, another bigoted statement. I am white. I am not around blacks..therefore I see racism behind every tree.

Well what do you know about the rest of us? Im from So Cal...I am a minority numerically speaking. My church is not mostly white. I hung around mostly blacks all my life. Does that qualify me for something?

It was a negative statement aimed at whites. It was the ONLY negative statement in the entire rhyme. Racism? I don't care what you or anyone else wants to call it. But I can read. It was a negative statement.

As for PH's post and your quote above your poor White immigrant relatives, I can't believe you are equating being "treated like trash" with, let's start with lynching (not JUST a slavery issue...just ask 14 yr. old Emmett Till and the thousands of others lynched in the 20th century for nothing more than being Black).

I can't believe you assumed I was saying they were equal. Have you ever taken a class in inductive reasoning? Critical thinking? I did not equate anything. I simply pointed out there was negative treatment in the past and....it was not my past. That anyone was lynched at any time does not mean ALL blacks are treated bad and all whites need to get right. That is another logical fallacy called a sweeping generalization.

Not quite the same as be treated like trash, IMHO...

Please answer this: Did I say it was the same? I never even implied it was the same. That was your own doing.

And how about not being served in a public place or told to get off a bus or having to use separate drinking fountains and restrooms?!

The topic is not history. That is the whole point. Nobody denied that has ever happened. We are discussing the negative generalization of what this man said. I repeat, yes it was a rhyme...it was a rhyme wherein the ONLY race he mentioned in ryhme in a negative way were whites

Think that this is just mistreatment and not racially motivated, or that it was in the 50s and not relevant today?!

Did anyone say it was not racially motivated? You are off the topic. That is called a RED HERRING. And it's a tacit admission that what was said was true...in other words you are attempting to justify the racially negative stereo type of whites. Racism? Again I don't care what you call it, but it was a rhyme about races and only ONE of the races was done in a negative light...whites

Try and tell that to my former pastor's then 17 yr. old sactified grand daughter who couldn't get service in a 7/11 in 2001...it happened, folks...

Again a RED HERRING. And again tacit justification for what was said. Sorry, yes I am white but NO I never lynched anyone, let alone a black person. I never told them to get off the bus. I never did any of that stuff so yes I resent that negative racial generalization of whites. We are not all like that. The rehashing of history or telling of stories does not 1) address whether or not this guy was making a negative statement about whites and 2) does not and can not in any way justify a sweeping generalization.

Could Rev. Lowrey have used another day to do what he did...perhaps.

Could he have NOT made a negative generalization aimed at white people? Can you answer that please?

But the posts on this thread have been MOST disappointing, especially the ones leveled at PraiseHymn.

Insensitive to what? The topic is not "have blacks been mistreated?" Start one and I will be the loudest to say YES.

The topic is this statement and the stuff he said about whites and what appears to be tacit support for it. '

Why should I, as a white person, do my part of a man like this is not? I don't say the "n" word. I don't say "oh blacks need to stop doing ______"

I don't make sweeping remarks about blacks as though they are ALL like that based on the actions of a few. Why can't we ALL work together and stop the racial generalizations and stereotypes?

That you can't see the point...well I don't know what to say. Insensitive? maybe you will have to point it out, but if me pointing out what was wrong with what this guy said is insensitive then I am afraid I will never understand how.

Again, the topic here is not "were blacks mistreated and did did some white people have anything to do with it".

Nobody is denying that. Bringing up that is irrelevant to the discussion of whether or not what this guy said was racially motivated (not racism) and negative.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I gathered he was not white....


Right, another bigoted statement. I am white. I am not around blacks..therefore I see racism behind every tree.

Well what do you know about the rest of us? Im from So Cal...I am a minority numerically speaking. My church is not mostly white. I hung around mostly blacks all my life. Does that qualify me for something?

It was a negative statement aimed at whites. It was the ONLY negative statement in the entire rhyme. Racism? I don't care what you or anyone else wants to call it. But I can read. It was a negative statement.


I can't believe you assumed I was saying they were equal. Have you ever taken a class in inductive reasoning? Critical thinking? I did not equate anything. I simply pointed out there was negative treatment in the past and....it was not my past. That anyone was lynched at any time does not mean ALL blacks are treated bad and all whites need to get right. That is another logical fallacy called a sweeping generalization.


Please answer this: Did I say it was the same? I never even implied it was the same. That was your own doing.


The topic is not history. That is the whole point. Nobody denied that has ever happened. We are discussing the negative generalization of what this man said. I repeat, yes it was a rhyme...it was a rhyme wherein the ONLY race he mentioned in ryhme in a negative way were whites


Did anyone say it was not racially motivated? You are off the topic. That is called a RED HERRING. And it's a tacit admission that what was said was true...in other words you are attempting to justify the racially negative stereo type of whites. Racism? Again I don't care what you call it, but it was a rhyme about races and only ONE of the races was done in a negative light...whites


Again a RED HERRING. And again tacit justification for what was said. Sorry, yes I am white but NO I never lynched anyone, let alone a black person. I never told them to get off the bus. I never did any of that stuff so yes I resent that negative racial generalization of whites. We are not all like that. The rehashing of history or telling of stories does not 1) address whether or not this guy was making a negative statement about whites and 2) does not and can not in any way justify a sweeping generalization.


Could he have NOT made a negative generalization aimed at white people? Can you answer that please?


Insensitive to what? The topic is not "have blacks been mistreated?" Start one and I will be the loudest to say YES.

The topic is this statement and the stuff he said about whites and what appears to be tacit support for it. '

Why should I, as a white person, do my part of a man like this is not? I don't say the "n" word. I don't say "oh blacks need to stop doing ______"

I don't make sweeping remarks about blacks as though they are ALL like that based on the actions of a few. Why can't we ALL work together and stop the racial generalizations and stereotypes?

That you can't see the point...well I don't know what to say. Insensitive? maybe you will have to point it out, but if me pointing out what was wrong with what this guy said is insensitive then I am afraid I will never understand how.

Again, the topic here is not "were blacks mistreated and did did some white people have anything to do with it".

Nobody is denying that. Bringing up that is irrelevant to the discussion of whether or not what this guy said was racially motivated (not racism) and negative.

This is my final post on this subject because you will never admit you were out of line, and I will not argue the point...the "red herring"analogy dones not fit with me.

Will only say that me mentioning 24 yrs. in the Black Church was NOT bigoted...that is your incorrect opinion. Was stating a fact about me...I don't pick apart statements to make a point.

Second, I can read, and you wrote in repsonse to PH's historical post, "BTW my poor white immigrants also helped build this nation and got treated like trash..."

You were equating your past with what I wrote.

You will never admit this, so I don't know why I bother...

[deacon blues]

Lowery is an old lion of the civil rights movement. He is a part of a different generation of African-Americans. Obama is not a part of that generation nor did his parents experience the injustices of the racism that existed in Lowery's generation.

People like Lowery, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, et al fought hard to get America and race relations to this point. Not always doing it in the right way, they did represent a vast majority of black folks. Yesterday made all of those black leaders a lot less relevant, if, that is, they want to continue the old rhetoric and attitudes.

With that being said, Lowery's prayer must be taken in context. In a way it shows the distinction between a fading generation (Lowery) and a new generation of black Americans (Obama). The attitudes are different.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Lowery is an old lion of the civil rights movement. He is a part of a different generation of African-Americans. Obama is not a part of that generation nor did his parents experience the injustices of the racism that existed in Lowery's generation.

People like Lowery, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, et al fought hard to get America and race relations to this point. Not always doing it in the right way, they did represent a vast majority of black folks. Yesterday made all of those black leaders a lot less relevant, if, that is, they want to continue the old rhetoric and attitudes.

With that being said, Lowery's prayer must be taken in context. In a way it shows the distinction between a fading generation (Lowery) and a new generation of black Americans (Obama). The attitudes are different.

Yesterday made all of those black leaders a lot less relevant, if, that is, they want to continue the old rhetoric and attitudes.

Amen to this. Many black leaders have commented that Sharpton, Jackson and I will include Oprah keep the race issue alive. We will see what they do with it now.