What will Liberal's/Baptist's do when

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Your response is riddled with improper assumptions.

He said nothing about "manufacturing" anything. You're the one saying that.

Neither did he say anything about "forcing it".


Well, lets deal with what you said.
You clearly associated the idea of a move of God (from Randy's comments), with "extreme fits of emotion". The inference seems fairly clear. Nobody's twisting your words.

If you're saying the exact opposite, then you sure didnt make that clear from your words.





And how can you determine that what they consider "a move of God" is not needed or helpful?

Once again, when you think of a powerful move of God what do you think of? Just describe it fore me.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Yes, I understand.
I'm not a liberal, and I find the doctrine to be a bit weird, to say the least.


But conservatives and moderates are not the one using this as a whip against the UPC.
The ones who are are mostly liberals.
That's what his whole point seems to be --- that the UPC bashers are having a field day with this, and their motives may not be 100% pure.

I don't see that. I haven't seen that. But if that is the case, maybe if the "UPC" folks came out more against this issue instead of appearing less than concerned, this would not be the case.

[Sam]

I think just about all of us, whether we be classified as liberals/Baptists or Cons agree with this:

The basic fundamental doctrine of this organization shall be the Bible standard of full salvation, which is repentance, baptism in water by immersion in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the baptism of the Holy Ghost with the initial sign of speaking with other tongues as the Spirit gives utterance.

We shall endeavor to keep the unity of the Spirit until we all come into the unity of the faith, at the same time admonishing all the brethren that they shall not contend for their different views to the disunity of the body.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

What does liberals and baptists have to do with a false doctrine called "Magic Hair" by some?

Do you believe in this doctrine?

It's an example of binary thinking.

If I don't think that I like your opinion then everything you say is in error. Even when you express an objection to something that is fundamentally nutty - I have to contradict your opinion just to be consistant with my "core values."

Thusly, my "core values" are revealed to be my desire to fit in with my dawgs and homies, even at the expense of knowing the truth.

[berkeley]

oh good grief Sam!


Anyway, suprisingly I agree with Randy!

And with those words, I'm signing off!

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by Hot Coffee Ms.

No reflection on you revrandy, but it appears to me that more men are having issues with this " Magic Hair Doctrine" than the ladies are.

That is exactly what I thought, Sis. Hot Coffee Ms.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Wow.

Delta, if in your mind you equate "move of God" with "extreme fits of emotion", then I find that actually kind of sad.

Another example... Delta Guitar asks a question that I am uncomfortable with. Therefore, my response should be to associate DG with the exact opposite of what he was saying.

I may never be "right," but... heh ... Delta Guitar won't mess with me anytime soon.

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Yes, I understand.
I'm not a liberal, and I find the doctrine to be a bit weird, to say the least.


But conservatives and moderates are not the one using this as a whip against the UPC.
The ones who are are mostly liberals.
That's what his whole point seems to be --- that the UPC bashers are having a field day with this, and their motives may not be 100% pure.

Man, you automatically think that everyone is bashing the UPC. No one is starting threads about how horrible the UPC. But these topics are very important to many who have left if not the very reason they left. You can't expect people who have 90% of their life invested in a subculture to not be interested in what is going on within.

The fact that we even care shows that we believe there is hope for the organization. If it was all bad no one would hope for change.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

Man, you automatically think that everyone is bashing the UPC. No one is starting threads about how horrible the UPC. But these topics are very important to many who have left if not the very reason they left. You can't expect people who have 90% of their life invested in a subculture to not be interested in what is going on within.

Come on now delta. We're both seeing the same threads.
I'm not thinking that "everyone is bashing the UPC". But there are some who do, and some seem to almost relish doing it.

If you haven't seen that, then you haven't been paying attention.

You're oversimplifying my words. I've said repeatedly that I can understand that those who've left would still be interested in what's going on. I've said that repeatedly.

My issue though, is with those who seem to always take on a negative tone in just almost anything they say about the org. I cant believe you havent seen that around here.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Another example... Delta Guitar asks a question that I am uncomfortable with. Therefore, my response should be to associate DG with the exact opposite of what he was saying.

I may never be "right," but... heh ... Delta Guitar won't mess with me anytime soon.

I dont know if you're trying to stir up another argument with me, but if you are, it wont work. I'm not "uncomfortable" with the questions he asked, so again you're assuming improperly. I dont see your comments as being in any way productive.

Delta and I are discussing this... and we can work through the conversation just fine. We don't always see eye to eye on some things, but we can disagree and still keep it civil.