Vince Larson Apology - Blessing & Cursing - Page 4

RandyWayne · #31 02-04-2009, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

I am no doubt part of a large group who is probably wondering "why the apology?".

I guess another thing I am saying or asking is, are you apologizing for WHAT you said or, how you said it?

Big difference between the two, especially on this subject.

ManOfWord · #32 02-04-2009, 09:55 AM

Bro. Vince,

I am like others who feel that no apology is needed. I respect your attitude to do so, but if that is the kind of respect you get for being honest, it should tell you something about the circle of folks who "shot" the darts.

That is one of the reasons I have remained independent. I have no one to please (organizationally) and no one to fear. I have accountability to our leadership team @ NLC, so I'm not a rogue.

I am just so sorry for those who threw the darts. Will they never learn? Will their anger toward the uncertainty of their own salvation never cease to maim their own? It is sad. It is worse than sad. How God must weep and mourn over these things. I'm sorry that it happened to you, Bro, but hang on. David had his detractors and he also had his Defender. The same Defender will uphold you, strengthen you and keep you marching forward. As long as you keep your eyes fixed upon Him, you'll get where He wants you to go!!!!

tbpew · #33 02-04-2009, 10:17 AM

Even though his thread title provides the word "apology", it may be (others have posted similar possibility) that his regret is that he provided some individual data point that was used to serve another's agenda and in doing so, has imposed an unanticipated amount of 'revisiting' requirement on his part.

"Gotcha" is a great sport among the body politic that becomes highly regrettable when sideline observers get throw into a game where they had not purposed to be involved.

SDG · #34 02-04-2009, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by tbpew

Even though his thread title provides the word "apology", it may be (others have posted similar possibility) that his regret is that he provided some individual data point that was used to serve another's agenda and in doing so, has imposed an unanticipated amount of 'revisiting' requirement on his part.

"Gotcha" is a great sport amount the body politic that becomes highly regrettable when sideline observers get throw into a game where they had not purposed to be involved.

The big picture ... you missed.

This deals with a lot more, TBP ... your agenda again blinds you.

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Originally Posted by revrandy

Hearsay?

Dan...take some time to read the blogs...although you probably have and are probably alright with them... knowing your propensity for all things anti-standard/doctrine...

Words are important whether some here believe it or not... What was said considering the young man in question was the justification of cursing/tattoo's... among other interesting opinions... and VL and I have communicated via pm...but again it's the same old story different shoes...

Some here of course defend these things which is the what AFF has become or so it seems...

revrandy · #35 02-04-2009, 10:25 AM

Group hug anybody?

JamDat · #36 02-04-2009, 10:27 AM

Hey, at one point all those old timers stood up to the religion of their day and became heroes to us. I'm sure it embarrassed their families and friends to preach Pentecost, but they didn't care because it was the truth and thank God for that.

The same goes for those today who stand for truth. Thank you to those whose voices guide us back into the working of the Lord and not the works of us.

1 Cor 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

Even Paul that great warrior of Christ didn't know all things. So how can these HMH people start at long hair, go to uncut hair, then to stopping government revolts and preventing adultery? They just make this stuff up because they don't know and can't be satisfied with not knowing. It's not faith to make your own power and it's just plain silly to think God needs help in the miracle department.

Cindy · #37 02-04-2009, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

The big picture ... you missed.

This deals with a lot more, TBP ... your agenda again blinds you.

And yours didn't?

edjen01 · #38 02-04-2009, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by revrandy

BigDogSD...

An Apology is saying I'm sorry...

Yours is a attack on those who disagree with you claiming your a martyr for your beliefs..

Love you man...but this isn't a apology and truly you have nothing to apologize for because your private thoughts are what you actually believe if these things are what you believe...

Still waiting by the gate Bro..
Randy

sir...i do not know you personally...but can you read? VL actually used the words "I'm sorry..."....so if an apology is saying "I'm sorry"....thats exactly what he did.

VL...I do think what you did was needed....not for me....but for you and those you mention. I believe that God does lead us all on different paths....we don't always know why....but if we truely want to walk the path He has prepared for us....then some times we can find ourselves being used, abused, and misunderstood. I will continue to pray that you grow in His grace...and that you do not weary in well doing.

SDG · #39 02-04-2009, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by edjen01

sir...i do not know you personally...but can you read? VL actually used the words "I'm sorry..."....so if an apology is saying "I'm sorry"....thats exactly what he did.

VL...I do think what you did was needed....not for me....but for you and those you mention. I believe that God does lead us all on different paths....we don't always know why....but if we truely want to walk the path He has prepared for us....then some times we can find ourselves being used, abused, and misunderstood. I will continue to pray that you grow in His grace...and that you do not weary in well doing.

In Randy's shrinking circle, apologizing for causing hurt is not enough ... it means bowing down to their paradigm and asking for group acceptance. Penitence means humiliation before the elders they have established ... perhaps even self-mutilation might be an option?

Or at least being "sat down" and/or "prayed through" by the laying of their hands.

It goes as far as doing or accepting the unbiblical.

Like if one is divorced and remarried ... one should leave the second spouse and return to the former ... even if the OT clearly speaks against such an act.

Or if one attaches angelic powers to hair it doesn't really matter ... it's not a big deal .... as long as you preach and promote the uncut hair doctrine despite it (HMH) being a doctrine that tramples the power of the Holy Spirit and the name of Jesus.

Sound hermeneutics is heckled with labels like "Charismatic", "Emergent" "Baptists", and violently opposed, when it contradicts their traditions and usurped authority ... and the means are justified by the ends.

deltaguitar · #40 02-04-2009, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

In Randy's shrinking circle, apologizing for causing hurt is not enough ... it means bowing down to their paradigm and asking for acceptance. Penitence means humiliation before the elders they have established ... perhaps even self-mutilation might be an option?

These guys have had to do the same thing and it doesn't seem fair to them when others don't follow the same path. I am not sure they even realize how wrong it is because they have been mentored this way.

Used to be that in order to get back in good you had to go cry and wail and submit to shaking and spitting at the altar while everyone sits back and watches. They used to call it praying through.

Man just talking about it makes my stomach start hurting.