Vince Larson Apology - Blessing & Cursing

[Innocuous]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

RR, I read his post again because of your response. There is an apology in there for hurting those close to him. But you're right, there is a martyr's defence in there as well and a condemnation toward others. It's an interesting post because it's a mix of many things.

And? So what? As someone else mentioned when people stand up for what they believe it's bound to offend somebody. I read the original post as well as his 'apology' and I didn't perceive any sort of malice in ieither of them. He was speaking prophetically and from the heart. If his folks can't handle it then so what? His deddy spoke pretty forcefully from the pulpit when he was my pastor, so the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Why shouldn't Vince do the same about what God has put in his heart? I don't think any apology is necessary and I'm sorry he did apologize. If he's under fire from people in the org then it's an indictment on the org, not on him. Their reactions reveal their dysfunction. My prayer for years is that a UPC blue blood kid would stand up and speak the truth in the UPC and become the lightning rod and catalyst for change in the UPC. I hope he sticks it out and weathers the storm and sticks to his guns. I suspect that there are legions of young guys out there willing to stand behind him if they'll just grow a couple of brass ones and be men of God and stand by their convictions. Fresh movements of God are always preceeded by young men 'rebelling' against their entrenched elders. It's not rebellion, it's visionary and prophetic leadership driven by a passion for the work of God. I say "Keep it up Vinnie! You're doing a good job!".

[freeatlast]

Probably no surprise to anyone here.

I commend Br Larson for speaking out against this hair-esy.

I find it appaling that anyone is giving him grief over his remarks against Magic hair, since WE don't believe in holy magic hair in our ranks.

[Cindy]

Some of y'all just wear me out, and hurt my heart. Just can't seem to leave people alone, because you want to just shove what you THINK down everyone's throat. Why should anyone have to defend themselves against a bunch of self righteous people? Jesus died for ALL of us, not a select few. You are not going to change anyone, only God can do that. Sure can't change anyone from the outside in. It comes from the inside out. We should be more concerned with our hearts than our opinions. Although I guess that seems odd to say on a forum, where opinions are the things we have most in common.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Cindy

Some of y'all just wear me out, and hurt my heart. Just can't seem to leave people alone, because you want to just shove what you THINK down everyone's throat. Why should anyone have to defend themselves against a bunch of self righteous people? Jesus died for ALL of us, not a select few. You are not going to change anyone, only God can do that. Sure can't change anyone from the outside in. It comes from the inside out. We should be more concerned with our hearts than our opinions. Although I guess that seems odd to say on a forum, where opinions are the things we have most in common.

Come on Cindy - stop holding back and let us know what you really think!

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Come on Cindy - stop holding back and let us know what you really think!

I know, right.

[jaxfam6]

Originally Posted by Cindy

Some of y'all just wear me out, and hurt my heart. Just can't seem to leave people alone, because you want to just shove what you THINK down everyone's throat. Why should anyone have to defend themselves against a bunch of self righteous people? Jesus died for ALL of us, not a select few. You are not going to change anyone, only God can do that. Sure can't change anyone from the outside in. It comes from the inside out. We should be more concerned with our hearts than our opinions. Although I guess that seems odd to say on a forum, where opinions are the things we have most in common.

Cindy my friend I feel your pain.
NOW LET IT OUT SISTER, LET IT OUT

[revrandy]

Some of you guys would defend the devil against the UPC...

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Innocuous

And? So what? As someone else mentioned when people stand up for what they believe it's bound to offend somebody. I read the original post as well as his 'apology' and I didn't perceive any sort of malice in ieither of them. He was speaking prophetically and from the heart. If his folks can't handle it then so what? His deddy spoke pretty forcefully from the pulpit when he was my pastor, so the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Why shouldn't Vince do the same about what God has put in his heart? I don't think any apology is necessary and I'm sorry he did apologize. If he's under fire from people in the org then it's an indictment on the org, not on him. Their reactions reveal their dysfunction. My prayer for years is that a UPC blue blood kid would stand up and speak the truth in the UPC and become the lightning rod and catalyst for change in the UPC. I hope he sticks it out and weathers the storm and sticks to his guns. I suspect that there are legions of young guys out there willing to stand behind him if they'll just grow a couple of brass ones and be men of God and stand by their convictions. Fresh movements of God are always preceeded by young men 'rebelling' against their entrenched elders. It's not rebellion, it's visionary and prophetic leadership driven by a passion for the work of God. I say "Keep it up Vinnie! You're doing a good job!".

I didn't attribute malice to anyone.

VL didn't apologize for what he believed. He apologized to those who may have been hurt by what he posted on his blog. He also explained that not everything on his blog reflects what he truly believes but he was testing the waters so to speak.

Anyways that's the way I understood him. He also likened himself to Christ and defended himself (played the martyr) against us... those who might discuss his words that he posted on a public blog.

But when these kind of words are carried from their safe place of rest and marched into the town square for a public hearing, it's no wonder why they can cause drama, riot & frenzy. "The person is rational, people are not." The mob can create an energy that builds a tower or destroys a city. The mob tears and pulls and yells 'crucify him!' The mob can be very destructive.

Just as my words on issues were a blessing to some & a cursing to others, so I have now been blessed & cursed. But my words were spoken towards issues (I never mentioned names in my writings of frustration - it is not in me to defame people or destroy ministries, whether or not I agree with them). My goal was debating topics, approaches to scripture, and getting feedback.

I got plenty of feedback.

What is sad to me is the fact that people can say all manner of things against others, without addressing their words or even responding directly to their blogs. They can sneak in through the window & kidnap your words out of their bed. They can attack others in their gardens of solitude and march them into the court for an illegal trial at night. The nature of the Pharisee has not changed much, just the masks they wear. They can be ruthless, tactless, and gutless as ever. They will never learn - it's in their nature.

Now were all the posts in response to VL's blog about VL? or were they more about LS and HMH?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by revrandy

Some of you guys would defend the devil against the UPC...

And some of us have more flip-flops than Bill Price (still love ya, BP)...

I understand you are quite the crusader against legalism at JP .

Lose your spine at the gate? Do you ever get personas mixed up?

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

And some of us have more flip-flops than Bill Price ...

I understand you are quite the crusader at JP against legalism.

Lose your spine at the gate?

I think you have listened to some gossip...