If Conservative Oneness Pentecostals Governed America...

Originally Posted by Praxeas

What disturbs me is that American Christians...in particular the liberal ones, make light of this and don't see that this is a growing threat and trend by Islamics who want to impose Sharia law in Canada and Britain and you can be sure we are next

Ah, but that's not what's going to happen. Bible prophecy suggests that there will be a one world government and that the world will be very much like the days of Noah and the days of Sodom and Gomorrah.

People who seem to hold your view of what's going on in the world forget about Bible prophecy and get all bent out of shape as if they don't know that God's got everything under control and that He wins in the end.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by crakjak

I would hope that our UC brethren would not impose a theocracy on the total population. However, I have recently visited a community in Waco, TX that reflects a Mennonite type environment and it is "ruled" by some "apostolics." Further, there is a remnant of a group that V. Bean was associated with in Terrell, TX that has a similar rule over their people. So there is good evidence that it could be a very repressive context.

Fear not children...for a kingdom is on its way and some of you might have a problem with what is and is not allowed there as well.

What would you be willing to leave behind at the gate?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Chan

Ah, but that's not what's going to happen. Bible prophecy suggests that there will be a one world government and that the world will be very much like the days of Noah and the days of Sodom and Gomorrah.

People who seem to hold your view of what's going on in the world forget about Bible prophecy and get all bent out of shape as if they don't know that God's got everything under control and that He wins in the end.

Why can't Islam become a thorn to us BEFORE the 1 world government takes over? You ever think of that? Is the supposed 1 world government really in control of the entire world? It already IS like the days of Noah and Sodom and Gomorrah...how does that prevent Islamics from trying to force Sharia law on Britain, Canada and the US...when it's already starting to take place in Canada and Britain (not the implementation but the ground work for it)?

BTW That God has everything in control did not prevent millions of Africans from being slaughtered in Rwanda...it did not prevent millions of Jews from being slaughtered...it does not prevent Christians from being persecuted and slaughtered around the world...

God says "Occupy till I come"..not "turn belly up like a beat dog"....we should occupy till He comes...we need to Act. I don't believe in Karma. Let's find the will of God and DO it...not just assume "Well God's will be done, ho hum" and sit around waiting for the end to come.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by crakjak

I would hope that our UC brethren would not impose a theocracy on the total population. However, I have recently visited a community in Waco, TX that reflects a Mennonite type environment and it is "ruled" by some "apostolics." Further, there is a remnant of a group that V. Bean was associated with in Terrell, TX that has a similar rule over their people. So there is good evidence that it could be a very repressive context.

Crackerjack,

I know a little about the group you are speaking about. Ironically enough they came out of Kenneth Phillips church I believe back in the late 1970's or early 1980's before I got there in March of 1983.

They are certainly a fringe element of Pentecost. Back around 1990 I worked (in Austin) with an elderly lady from church. She had told me about Howard Wheeler and his group. She said that she would occasionally run across some of the ladies in the grocery store and that they would pointedly ignore her, turn their head the other way, etc. I found that funny because this older lady was as "holiness" looking as you can get. no makeup, grey haired bun, plain clothing, etc. Of course it was not as plain as those ladies were though.

One day I was coming back from lunch and noticed that a workman who had been hired to do some work at my place of employment was bounding up the stairs ahead of me and heading into where my office was.

When he got to the top of the stairs he froze like a deer caught in car headlights. He stared frozen for many seconds then reluctantlly opened the door and went on in. Once in I saw what he had seen. This elderly lady! Once he made the decision to go in I think he knew he could not be rude so he did speak to her. Once he left she told me he was part of Howard Wheelers group she had been tellling me about. Once she said that it made sense why he had reacted the way he had. He was trying to figure out if he could avoid her.

I don't know what they evolved into but they were really wacky back then. They were big time into excommunicating people, public confessions at church, etc, etc.

When I heard about this "community" they started it did not surprise me. Unless they have changed a lot they think everyone visiting them including good conservative old time Pentecostals are going to bust hell wide open!!

Which just goes to show you (as Elder Epley has also pointed out) that everyone to someone is a liberal.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by CC1

Crackerjack,

I know a little about the group you are speaking about. Ironically enough they came out of Kenneth Phillips church I believe back in the late 1970's or early 1980's before I got there in March of 1983.

They are certainly a fringe element of Pentecost. Back around 1990 I worked (in Austin) with an elderly lady from church. She had told me about Howard Wheeler and his group. She said that she would occasionally run across some of the ladies in the grocery store and that they would pointedly ignore her, turn their head the other way, etc. I found that funny because this older lady was as "holiness" looking as you can get. no makeup, grey haired bun, plain clothing, etc. Of course it was not as plain as those ladies were though.

One day I was coming back from lunch and noticed that a workman who had been hired to do some work at my place of employment was bounding up the stairs ahead of me and heading into where my office was.

When he got to the top of the stairs he froze like a deer caught in car headlights. He stared frozen for many seconds then reluctantlly opened the door and went on in. Once in I saw what he had seen. This elderly lady! Once he made the decision to go in I think he knew he could not be rude so he did speak to her. Once he left she told me he was part of Howard Wheelers group she had been tellling me about. Once she said that it made sense why he had reacted the way he had. He was trying to figure out if he could avoid her.

I don't know what they evolved into but they were really wacky back then. They were big time into excommunicating people, public confessions at church, etc, etc.

When I heard about this "community" they started it did not surprise me. Unless they have changed a lot they think everyone visiting them including good conservative old time Pentecostals are going to bust hell wide open!!

Which just goes to show you (as Elder Epley has also pointed out) that everyone to someone is a liberal.

I visited Kenneth Phillips in the late 70's with a team from Plano when Anthony Mangun was our pastor. Interesting HW was one of the leaders at WOP that KP had us to meet with, we were trying to build an outreach team in Plano. At that time he was very inspiring to listen to, and was a firebrand in Austin. I also had heard him preach at a conference at Truth Church in Ft. Worth, I am not familiar with how he got where he is now.

Yes, the visitors are for one thing and that is to bring in the bucks in for their furniture, construction company and food. Hey, like I said it is a neat place to visit. Even though it raised questions in my mind as I observed that the residents lived in mobile homes while they show incredible craftsmanship in construction and furniture building. The ladies wear homemade clothes which seems to be sort of a costume for the era, however the men wear store bought clothes. I definitely sensed bondage and oppression in trying to talk to the folks working on site, because I asked questions that most visitors wouldn't ask.

[Neck]

Nothing would get done. Sine the many organizations and then the individual organizations can't agree on anything other than they are not Trinitarians.

[Arphaxad]

Originally Posted by COOPER

The point that I am trying to make is; I have heard this verse referenced by Conservatives these past two years on FCF, NFCF, And AFF.

There is a "God's is gonna getcha" mentality and "Fear me for I am the man of God" attitude.

It's goes back to the making of this thread.

What if Conservative Christians ruled? Especially Strict holiness.

There would be no freedom of speech.

The common folk could not vote.

All rules and codes would be set by the Goverment.

Manditory Church attendance and Tithing.

There would be the sin police patroling cities.

One clothing store owned a designed by the leaders.

No make up, No swimming at beaches. No Sports....etc.

No media and no influence from other countries.

It would be pretty close to North Korea Now!

So Kim Il Jung is a conservative pentacostal preacher? Is he UPC licensed?


ARPH

[rrford]

Dumb thread.

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Arphaxad

So Kim Il Jung is a conservative pentacostal preacher? Is he UPC licensed?


ARPH

Mao Tse-tung (Zedong) was the greatest conservative pentecostal!!