Cosmetics???

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Acts 2:38!

Good one!!!

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Good one!!!

Perfect ice breaker!

Ma'am, I see you like Channel eyeshadow - that color looks very pretty with your eyes. Could I interest you about a free makeover? Whip out the Bible and start the witnessing!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Perfect ice breaker!

Ma'am, I see you like Channel eyeshadow - that color looks very pretty with your eyes. Could I interest you about a free makeover? Whip out the Bible and start the witnessing!

Too bad I wasn't saved when I was doing makeovers! I could have used that!!!

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Coadie, you're being ridiculous. That's like asking for scriptures that show it's okay to eat birthday cake. LOL!!!!!

Is it okay to put your daughter's hair in a ponytail? Does scripture say that's it's okay?

The onus is on the person who believes it is a SIN to SHOW that it is a sin from scripture. If it isn't in scripture, then it's your personal preference, and God isn't going to hold the whole world accountable for your personal idiosyncrasies.

If it isn't condemned by God, then you have no business condemning anyone for it, unless you think you are greater than He is.

Where are the scriptures against makeup?

Good luck with that, Ms. Bratt. That argument has been made to Coadie several times already, but it doesnt seem to be getting through to him.

I wonder if Coadie drives a nice car. But he doesnt have a scripture that says he can drive a nice car. Besides, many criminals drive nice cars. According to his line of reasoning, having a nice car must be are sin.
The thing is, the man cant even see how illogical his argument is.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Anyone for a free makeover?

Ezekiel 23:43Because thou hast not remembered the days of thy youth, but hast fretted me in all these things; behold, therefore I also will recompense thy way upon thine head, saith the Lord GOD: and thou shalt not commit this lewdness above all thine abominations.

So Ezekiel uses examples of whoredoms to describe spiritual fornication.




Ezekiel 16:50
And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.

Looks like some folks need home bible studies.

Whoredoms. Hmmm


48Thus will I cause lewdness to cease out of the land, that all women may be taught not to do after your lewdness.

49And they shall recompense your lewdness upon you, and ye shall bear the sins of your idols: and ye shall know that I am the Lord GOD.


what kind of paint colors help achieve the lewd look?
How sad.

women of the night hmmm.

Proverbs talks of the high look

Proverbs 21:4 (King James Version)

4An high look, and a proud heart, and the plowing of the wicked, is sin.

some translations call it the haughty look.

These are typical behaviors of seeking to entice male responses.

The haughty look. How obvious.

Here is a reference to Holiness looks.

Carnal women pretty much avoid the proverbs 31 woman.

30Favour is deceitful, and beauty is vain: but a woman that feareth the LORD, she shall be praised

In Proverbs 31:10-31, the Bible describes a virtuous woman

It doesn't describe the painted liberated woman Ezekiel uses to describe the haughty Babylonian temptress.

So lewdness is an abomination
the haughty, high look is sin

How do these lascivious women get the lewd look if they cover their skin?

Now it makes sense that Jezebel is associated with prostitution. Of course she was painted up. I suspect it was for some reason. It could be a coincidence that within a few verses of her being described as painted, some eunuchs tossed her onto the street where she was devooured.

Ezekiel also refers to the daughter doing like the mother in regards to this mess.


so a little summary for now. Lewdness, adornments, haughty looks, whoredoms, spiritual fornication

are in opposition to the proverbs 31 woman

29Many daughters have done virtuously, but thou excellest them all.

I admit I have posted a little here and i did not think this was a discussion board for Holiness people.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

well, since you've decided to come out swinging, obviously this deserves a response...
What apologetics have you put forward? You've been asked the same question by different people maybe 20 times regarding the biblical teaching against cosmetics... and you've offered nothing biblical. Zero. Human reasoning, yes.. Extra-biblical history, and psychology, sure.... But scriptural basis? None. Why? because you have none. But rather than at least acknowledge that there is no biblical basis for your position, you keep shifting around, in an effort to justify yourself. Really, who cares?
I'm an insult to the religion you were raised in, which is the Mennonite church (?). Why is that even relevant? What would I even care about the false-doctrine Mennonite church? Please. I don't see what that has to do with me. This would almost be funny if it weren't so absurd.
And you think you've been Christlike? Really? (Think about one that before answering.)

Somebody puts forward some direct questions to you, hoping for some straightforward answers, and that's unChristlike? Do you even know what the word means? Furthermore, take a look at your own self and your own harsh and judgmental nature you've displayed . If you seriously think you've displayed a Christlike attitude here, then I feel sorry for you.

It's unchristlike to come at you with tough questions? Well, this is a discussion forum. If you cant stand the heat, why are you even in the kitchen? The questions were direct and straightforward, but still with respect. Yet because you didn't like the questions, you chose to respond in a disrespectful and obnoxious way. And we're supposed to look at you as Christlike? Stop kidding yourself.
Your own spirit and attitude comes across as mean and harsh toward the saints of God who disagree with you on this. How dare you act like you're more holy than anyone else around here?
(No need to start a separate thread. It was a simple question, asked to further show some of the inconsistencies in your own argument.)

So I ask you your position on wedding rings, cufflinks, etc and you're offended?. Well, if you're going go be Mr. Thin-skinned like that, then an Apostolic discussion forum might not be the place for you.

You should be the last one referring to anyone as obnoxious.
Physician, heal thyself.


Obviously it does bother you personally,,, which is why you chose to come out swinging, and unnecessarily so. You acted like a caged animal --- as if when you felt cornered, and faced with the weakness in your own argument, you felt that attacking was the best way to handle it. You're in no position to criticize anyone for being unChristlike. Take a look at your own self. What kind of spirit have you been displaying? I don't sense a shred of "love" emanating from you, only harshness. Take the beam out of your own eye before you get on your "holier than thou" pedestal.


If only you were " extremely clear" about the scriptural basis we asked for, this conversation would have been over a long time ago.

You can give us your "behavioral motives" and psychological reasonings all you want.... But what you cant give us is scripture on this. That's all we've been asking for, and so because you know you don't have scripture, you feel that your psychological and historical arguments etc will suffice? You think we're supposed to buy this stuff about "pagans used to use cosmetics, so it's wrong for Christians to use cosmetics" ? That's not a foundation for sound doctrine! That stuff doesn't qualify as "rightly dividing the word". The bible says "prove all things", so people will ask tough questions around here, AND THEY SHOULD. If you don't like people asking you questions you find tough or uncomfortable, then I can tell you already, you're going to be in for a rough ride around here.

Your arguments are nothing new. These same type of arguments you're using have been used for decades to pile on layer after layer of unbiblical and burdensome rules on people. (No open-toed shoes; ....Dont wear red, it's the devil's color; ....No pantyhose; .....Women, dont shave your legs; ....No high-heeled shoes-- beause prostitutes wear high heels;. etc etc etc.) And if anyone questions why, or asks if there's biblical basis for any of this ... they're called they're rebellious, unholy, worldly-minded, compromisers etc. And if that Apostolic church down the street doesn't have "our" same rules, then they're compromisers, they don't have "holiness", they're trying to look like the world, etc. So you'll sit and judge your brothers and sisters in Christ because they teach differently regarding a particular "standards" issue. Lots of Pharisaical self-righteousness and judgmentalism, but very little meekness, love, or Christlike spirit. Preacher Jones develops a particular conviction about an issue, and so he decides to impose it on all the church-members as "holiness doctrine", and then he'll sit and harshly judge anyone who doesnt see it his way------ is this what you consider "Christlike"?

You (and others who think like you) can pile up all the unbiblical rules on God's people all you want, but I'll have no part of that. And you can make all your historical and "behavioral motives" arguments all you want, but that's not going to be enough around here. If you don't have biblical basis for your arguments, then expect that people will indeed "hold your feet to the fire". If you or anyone else here is offended by that, then that's your business. Call us names, call us ungodly, call us whatever. God is our judge, not you.

And it's evident that despite all your "holiness standards" you seem so proud of, you've got a lot of issues in your own spirit you need to take care of. So take the beam out of your own eye, before you go trying to take the beam out of your brother or sister's eye.

could you list the false doctrines of the kleine gemeinde mennonite church i attended? Thanks in advance for being specific.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by coadie

could you list the false doctrines of the kleine gemeinde mennonite church i attended? Thanks in advance for being specific.

We could start with the Divine Flesh doctrine and go from there.

[MissBrattified]

Odd, coadie, that you come from a group of people who are pacifists, nonviolent and nonresistant, yet you are extremely aggressive and offensive in your postings.

I think Menno Simons would be embarrassed by some of the hateful things you have written on this forum.

[RandyWayne]

Post 336 seems a bit confusing to me. First having taken a militant anti-makeup stand and then accusing others of essentially doing the same thing with other standards by saying "These same type of arguments you're using have been used for decades to pile on layer after layer of unbiblical and burdensome rules on people.".....
Is my own dyslexia causing me to miss a word of phrase which makes the whole thing make sense to everyone else?

A bit bi-polar?

[marthaolivia]

Coadie is beginning to sound more and more like Caston.