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03-16-2009, 07:54 PM
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Re: Bait and Switch: Pentecostal Deception?
That's not bait and switch. There is no switch. Peter didn't explain every doctrinal nuance on the day of Pentecost. Look at the other conversion events in Acts...It was enough to get them to repent and convert. You don't need to become a greek scholar or a have a Doctorate in Theoology before converting. So that stuff about standards is unnecessary to teach to a sinner
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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03-16-2009, 08:13 PM
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Re: Bait and Switch: Pentecostal Deception?
Holiness should be universal across all cultural lines, IMHO.
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03-16-2009, 08:13 PM
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Absolute Agenda
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Re: Bait and Switch: Pentecostal Deception?
EA has a point. It is Pentecostal Gnosticism.
Come in, and once you are saved and ready, we will teach you the secret deeper hidden meanings which all believers don't have the revelation on, or may not be able to handle.
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03-16-2009, 08:13 PM
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Re: Bait and Switch: Pentecostal Deception?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
That's not bait and switch. There is no switch. Peter didn't explain every doctrinal nuance on the day of Pentecost. Look at the other conversion events in Acts...It was enough to get them to repent and convert. You don't need to become a greek scholar or a have a Doctorate in Theoology before converting. So that stuff about standards is unnecessary to teach to a sinner
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Kind of like a man on his first, second, or even third date. He doesn't want the girl to hear him fart or belch or anything else unattractive that might keep the relationship from developing further?
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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03-16-2009, 08:16 PM
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My Family!
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Re: Bait and Switch: Pentecostal Deception?
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Originally Posted by CC1
Kind of like a man on his first, second, or even third date. He doesn't want the girl to hear him fart or belch or anything else unattractive that might keep the relationship from developing further?
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...and then she marries him.
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03-16-2009, 08:18 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Re: Bait and Switch: Pentecostal Deception?
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Kind of like a man on his first, second, or even third date. He doesn't want the girl to hear him fart or belch or anything else unattractive that might keep the relationship from developing further?
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No. Look Peter said this
2Pe 3:15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him,
2Pe 3:16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.
You don't need to teach them every little doctrinal issue before they can convert. It's not necessary. It can or will just distract them from the real goal of converting to Christ. They are babes still and need to get what they need spiritually.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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03-16-2009, 08:20 PM
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Jesus' Name Pentecostal
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Re: Bait and Switch: Pentecostal Deception?
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
Holiness should be universal across all cultural lines, IMHO.
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Real holiness is.
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03-16-2009, 08:21 PM
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>>Primitive Pentecostal<<
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Re: Bait and Switch: Pentecostal Deception?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
No. Look Peter said this
2Pe 3:15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him,
2Pe 3:16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.
You don't need to teach them every little doctrinal issue before they can convert. It's not necessary. It can or will just distract them from the real goal of converting to Christ. They are babes still and need to get what they need spiritually.
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Prax, you've missed the whole point.
Many folks feel like conformance to "holiness" standards is salvational.
Knowing this, why do they wait months before they teach them to new folks?
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03-16-2009, 08:25 PM
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>>Primitive Pentecostal<<
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Re: Bait and Switch: Pentecostal Deception?
This is what we should be teaching.
1. Genuine Faith.
2. Repentance.
3. Baptism.
4. Holy Ghost infilling.
5. No britches.
6. No TV.
7. No jewelry.
8. No cosmetics.
9. No movies.
10. No mixed bathing.
11. No hair coloring.
and on and on and on.
Perhaps it would be good to have visitors read leaflets with this info as they enter the building?
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03-16-2009, 08:29 PM
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My Family!
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Location: Collierville, TN
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Re: Bait and Switch: Pentecostal Deception?
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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin
This is what we should be teaching.
1. Genuine Faith.
2. Repentance.
3. Baptism.
4. Holy Ghost infilling.
5. No britches.
6. No TV.
7. No jewelry.
8. No cosmetics.
9. No movies.
10. No mixed bathing.
11. No hair coloring.
and on and on and on.
Perhaps it would be good to have visitors read leaflets with this info as they enter the building?
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