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03-24-2009, 12:17 PM
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Re: He Was More than Just a Man
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Originally Posted by Nina
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Can a person have eternal life if they believe that Jesus was not God but instead, simply filled with God's spirit?
If not, why not?
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Nina
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If a person believes in his heart that Jesus is risen from the dead, and if that person confesses by mouth that Jesus is Lord, than that person is saved according to Romans 10
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03-24-2009, 12:38 PM
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Re: He Was More than Just a Man
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Originally Posted by Nina
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Can a person have eternal life if they believe that Jesus was not God but instead, simply filled with God's spirit?
If not, why not?
Thanks,
Nina
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I don't know. There are some that believe that the term Son of God refers to His Deity and son of man to His humanity. You have to believe in the Son of God. Then there are some that take this verse in John to mean you have to believe Jesus is the I AM
Joh 8:24 Therefore I said to you that you shall die in your sins, for if you do not believe that I AM, you shall die in your sins.
The question arises, how can a mere man be the savior of all mankinds sins?
Some believe he HAD to be God in order to be our savior.
What about Muslims? They believe in Jesus, or they believe He existed and was a prophet, are they saved?
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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03-24-2009, 01:05 PM
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Re: He Was More than Just a Man
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If a person believes in his heart that Jesus is risen from the dead, and if that person confesses by mouth that Jesus is Lord, than that person is saved according to Romans 10 |
This cult believes this verse, but they also believe that Jesus is NOT God.
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03-24-2009, 01:09 PM
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Re: He Was More than Just a Man
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
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The question arises, how can a mere man be the savior of all mankinds sins?
Some believe he HAD to be God in order to be our savior.
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Wouldn't a mere man be born with original sin to his account thereby rendering him unable to be that Spotless Lamb?
God help me see so I can help her see!
Nina
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03-24-2009, 01:10 PM
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Re: He Was More than Just a Man
Nina what would you be considering a cult some see the upc as a cult
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03-24-2009, 01:19 PM
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Re: He Was More than Just a Man
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Nina what would you be considering a cult some see the upc as a cult
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This is a cult:
http://freefromthehouseofgod.blogspot.com/
I agree with some who see SOME UPChurches as cultic.
Nina
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03-24-2009, 01:42 PM
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Re: He Was More than Just a Man
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Originally Posted by Nina
Wouldn't a mere man be born with original sin to his account thereby rendering him unable to be that Spotless Lamb?
God help me see so I can help her see!
Nina
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I don't believe in someone elses sin being added to my account. I believe we are all born with the propensity to commit sin. He was not a mere man though. That is my point. He was God incarnate. However He WAS a man.
By "mere man" I mean that he was no different than you or I. The very fact that he had no human father tells us he was no mere man. The fact that he claimed to exist before Abraham was born makes him no mere man.
However he was a man and as a man he was like us except he did no sin.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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03-24-2009, 02:59 PM
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Re: He Was More than Just a Man
Praxeas,
The mere man I was referring to is Jesus.
If He was born with only a human nature, He was born a sinner. Right?
Nina
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03-24-2009, 03:29 PM
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Re: He Was More than Just a Man
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Originally Posted by Nina
Praxeas,
The mere man I was referring to is Jesus.
If He was born with only a human nature, He was born a sinner. Right?
Nina
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I knew we were talking about Jesus. I did not need to be told that.
No, he was born with a human nature, a sinner is someone that commits sin...what do you mean "only a human nature"...what other kind of human nature is there?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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03-24-2009, 03:51 PM
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Re: He Was More than Just a Man
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
I knew we were talking about Jesus. I did not need to be told that.
No, he was born with a human nature, a sinner is someone that commits sin...what do you mean "only a human nature"...what other kind of human nature is there?
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I think it is painfully common knowledge that this general topic very often describes the Son as one with TWO natures.
....my guess is she is making a reference to the oft discussed FULLY God 'nature' that is attributed to the composition of the Son of God, the God/man....you know...DUAL natures.
So Prax, are you teaching that the Son is an entity with two natures or one?
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