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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
Elder in truth Elder Burk was posting material NOT presented by the affirmative argument thus NOT a rebuttal at all but a speech. NOT being critical of him but when there is NO agreed proposition then the subject under discussion is NOT clear.
They need to agree on a proposition and start over. NEITHER is afraid nor ignorant. BOTH are brilliant men so throwing off on either is unbecoming.
They need to set it up with an agreement sign it then debate. I would enjoy reading it.
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Bro. Epley, this simply is not true. There were discussions by PM BEFORE we started. The subject we agreed to discuss is “The Christ in Apostolic Full Preterism.” Other than adding the word "Apostolic," he chose that himself. He also chose the word count. He asked me to debate him on his accusation that AFPs do not have the same Jesus as the Apostles. I have said this repeatedly. That is EXACTLY the “proposition” that was agreed on.
If you'll read my responses you'll see that I did answer issues he brought up. We first were limited to only 500 words, but Bro. Anderson's first post went over that, so he wanted 600 instead, to which I agreed. Then we went to 600 words with 15 allowed for anything that went over.
Bro. Anderson first alleged that AFP is based on the “allegorical type hermeneutics.” I answered that and showed him this was wrong.
Then he alleged that AFP “views the following Christo-centric events as past: 1. The Second Coming; 2. The resurrection of the dead; 3. Great White Throne judgment. This was fine, but – again – he was to show what the apostles’ taught about these and how AFP differed. This was NEVER done. I addressed this as well.
He then used John MacArthur and Spiros Zodhiates as his evidence for where he claimed we disagreed with the apostles. I answered that.
He then said something he pondered about the Book of Revelation, but provided no evidence for what the apostles’ taught about it. Consequently, I did not respond as I only had 600 words and reminded him of that.
He then said, “FP holds to the historicity and deity of Christ but obfuscate Christo-centric doctrines to the point that His coming is not sought nor His revelation of hope enjoyed. Clearly these Christocentric events have completely different meaning. This is a different Christ.” Sounds real interesting, but this is a statement that he based off, not what the apostles’ taught, but what he deduced from his sources, which are MacArthur and Zodhiates. Again, this was supposed to be about what the APOSTLES’ taught. But, again, I did answer what he said about these men and their anti-apostolic sediments.
He then went to the resurrection. But, again, I only had 600 words, and I used those up in responding to what he did ask, and also in trying to get him on the subject we agreed to discuss.
Then in his second response, he said he agreed with several points in my response. No reason to respond further to those.
He then used a quote from Hank Hannegraff to defend his afore usage of MacArthur and Zodhiates. Bro. Epley, this is supposed to be about what the Apostle’s taught. He – again – was using a known anti-apostolic teacher’s words to – again – prove his points. How am I to respond to that?? Again, this was to be about what the apostles taught. Since when are Hannegraff, MacArthur, or Zodhiates found among that list?
From that he went into his interview mode, and began asking one question after another. That is not what is to be done in a debate, which was pointed out by some others here….
My last post was 615 words. I began by saying, “Bro. Anderson, you’ve not proven any of your opinions are criterion used by the Apostles.” This was my way of trying to get him on track with the agreed subject. I then spent the remainder of my response demonstrating how HIS position is the one who actually differs, and in so doing, I responded to his ORIGINAL accusation that AFP teaches a different Jesus than did the apostles.
So, Bro. Epley, it is Bro. Anderson who did not debate the subject he agreed on. He argued what Hannegraff, MacArthur, or Zodhiates, believes, and then rapid fired me several questions, but he never explained what it is that he sees the apostles’ teaching, and how their beliefs differed from AFP. But, if you’ll read what I posted, you’ll see I tried to get him to talk about that very subject.
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