Signs Wonders And Knowing Jesus

Michael The Disciple · #1 04-08-2009, 07:17 AM

Hi all,

What is the meaning of signs and wonders to the Christian? Most of what we hear now seems to be downplaying them. Several decades of false prophets and sinning preachers have discouraged the people.

Yet the Bible is overwhelmingly positive on this matter. Many say "seek the giver not the gift". Well that is true but If one seeks Jesus Christ how will they know when they have FOUND HIM?

Is it not because he MANIFESTS HIMSELF by some sign or wonder? He normally does not visibly appear and begin speaking to us does he? So for us to have a personal CONTACT with the Lord he must do something we can recognize as HIM speaking to us or influencing us in some way.

I believe signs are VERY important in our lives because it is the evidence that Christ is alive and active in our lives.

17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. Mark 16:17-18

Jesus said signs would be in the lives of those who believe. These signs are not limited to the ones mentioned in Marks gospel. Think about the Old Testament people. Almost if not all the people mentioned as major figures knew God through the signs he did.

Really how else can one have a personal relationship with Jesus if he never MANIFESTS himself? Reading the Bible is wonderful. It creates faith. And by faith the Spirit uses the doctrine and stories to speak to us.

But one theme of scripture FROM COVER TO COVER is that if we seek the Lord we will find him for ourselves. It would be unthinkable that a man or woman of faith would seek God in sincerity of heart and he would not respond. Only when we do hear from Heaven can our soul be satisfied. Only then can we rest in biblical truth because it is being vindicated on a personal level.

No dont seek signs just as something to be amused by. Seek the Almighty God-Jesus with all your heart. He is alive and DOES hear the cries of men for fellowship. Dont let your faith be limited by the doctrines of men or your own doubts. The joy of the Lord comes from knowing that you know HIM!

KWSS1976 · #2 04-08-2009, 07:34 AM

17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. Mark 16:17-18

No offence but all one does here is speak in tongues..

Plus after corithians where did these signs and wonders go no k=more healings were taking place no tongues ETC..

KWSS1976 · #3 04-08-2009, 07:56 AM

See the way I see it is people then needed signs and maricles/wonders (sp) to prove that jesus was who he was in that time we have the bible now to tell us all this and the bible is not even in order to how things happened back then..

pelathais · #4 04-08-2009, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by KWSS1976

See the way I see it is people then needed signs and maricles/wonders (sp) to prove that jesus was who he was in that time we have the bible now to tell us all this and the bible is not even in order to how things happened back then..

Yet, how can you know that the Bible is true without "signs" (and I'm willing to be rather open ended about "signs)."

The Bible is a testimony of those who were declaring the Gospel in the first century (NT). If "signs" were needed in the first century to validate that testimony, would not "signs" be needed today to validate the exact same testimony from the exact same people?

KWSS1976 · #5 04-08-2009, 08:13 AM

No because they did not have a bible in the NT they needed these signs and wonders cause people did not believe. We have a book that tells how it all went down we do not need signs and maricles we have the written word of god which they did not have then. If we still had apostotles running around we would not have a bible to read and they would still be performing there signs and maricles to prove to us the god is who he is....

coadie · #6 04-08-2009, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by KWSS1976

No because they did not have a bible in the NT they needed these signs and wonders cause people did not believe. We have a book that tells how it all went down we do not need signs and maricles we have the written word of god which they did not have then. If we still had apostotles running around we would not have a bible to read and they would still be performing there signs and maricles to prove to us the god is who he is....

So you are saying God changed?

Michael The Disciple · #7 04-08-2009, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by KWSS1976

See the way I see it is people then needed signs and maricles/wonders (sp) to prove that jesus was who he was in that time we have the bible now to tell us all this and the bible is not even in order to how things happened back then..

But the whole concept of the New Covenant is that we would KNOW THE LORD. Do you feel like you know him after reading the Bible? I would say you may know ABOUT HIM but to know him takes a personal contact.

If the New Covenant is better than the Old why would we not be able to know Elohim? They apparently did in those days at least the ones the Tanak features such as Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, Joshua, David, Solomon, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, and so on.

Why would Elohim now become silent?

KWSS1976 · #8 04-08-2009, 08:36 AM

Why do you say to know him takes personal contact know one will have personal contact with him until the rapture and we are in heaven.. after Jesus accended into heaven the apostoles did not have personal contact with him.....

Michael The Disciple · #9 04-08-2009, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Why do you say to know him takes personal contact know one will have personal contact with him until the rapture and we are in heaven.. after Jesus accended into heaven the apostoles did not have personal contact with him.....

What Church or Religous community influences your thinking? I have had personal contact with Yeshua since 1974. Are you saying you have had no personal relationship with him ever?

KWSS1976 · #10 04-08-2009, 08:42 AM

I am talking about touching,filling to be face to face personal contact..