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Old 05-12-2009, 12:44 PM
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Still, what does long mean? How long is long?
I figure if God had wanted us to go by a precise measurement, he would have given us one.

He gave the men exact directives.... priests - don't shave or grow long, poll. Men - Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.
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Old 05-12-2009, 12:50 PM
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Much like other moderation issues, that is up in the air. i guess the pastor would be the most logical choice for most. Of course, it is always a minefield when we start putting our borders on some of God's general guidelines.
What other moderation issues and why are they up in the air?
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Old 05-12-2009, 12:56 PM
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I figure if God had wanted us to go by a precise measurement, he would have given us one.

He gave the men exact directives.... priests - don't shave or grow long, poll. Men - Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.
Thayer says of the greek word for long hair

Thayer Definition:
1) to let the hair grow, have long hair
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Old 05-12-2009, 01:05 PM
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What other moderation issues and why are they up in the air?
I feel like I am getting roped in. lol. Skirt lengths, sleeve length, open or closed toe shoes, the color red, to what extent Tv can be accessed and used. Hair length is just another issue that has two well spoken sides. I realize some of my examples are old, but I am at the dr. and am having to hunt and peck.
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Old 05-12-2009, 01:11 PM
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The Greek English Lexicon of the New Testament based on Semantic Domain offers

1 Cor 11.15. In a number of languages it may be necessary to translate κομάω as ‘to let one’s hair grow long’ or ‘not to cut one’s hair.’
Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. (1996, c1989). Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament : Based on semantic domains (electronic ed. of the 2nd edition.) (1:526). New York: United Bible societies.
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Old 05-12-2009, 01:13 PM
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Prax you been reading to much "POPE OF PENTECOST"..LOL
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Old 05-12-2009, 01:38 PM
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The teaching when I was growing up was that if a woman cut her hair at all, she might
as well be shorn. We are taught as children, but as adults (mature) we must make our
own decisions and accept the responsibility that comes with our decisions. Many times
young people make decisions for themselves and after they have seen the responsibility
that comes with it, they decide they would not have made that choice if they could do
it over.
Young Palin has recently said if she could do it over, she would have waited to have
pre-martial sex.

I looked at the lives of my elders and then at those who had made different choices
regarding a lot of things during my lifetime. Mostly likely, as a young person, I would have
made different choices but I highly respected and honored my elders and mentors. There
is NO DOUBT my life has been blessed by being encouraged to follow those who were up
ahead of me, on the path. They could pass on back to me the dangers and the pitfalls
to look out for.

There are Leaders (should be our parents, etc). and then there are those that should be
FOLLOWING. The followers sometime want to reverse and be the leaders when they are
not mature enough to do so. Biblically the LEADERS SHOULD be following CHRIST or
following someone who is.

Over ten years ago, an elderly saint gave a message and it was interpereted! The message
was, "Stay on the Path! There may be detours! Do not take them! Stay on the Path! I never
forgot that message. After that message I went through a tremendeous trial. It tried my faith
seeminly to the very limits but I would get another grip on the situation and God would give
me scriptures from His Word to sustain me. Thank God for the victory that overcomes the
world, even our faith.

"But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the
perfect day. Prov. 4:18 KJV

There is safety in traveling down a road that someone else has paved out. Especially if
that was someone who was just and right. (living right.) It is not the broadway, but the
road less traveled. It will make all the difference! Thank you, Lord God, for wisdom to
know the difference.

Many times what the grandmother chooses, so does the mother and those following her!!
We have five generations following my late grandmothew Lizzie. Thank you, Grandma, for
the decisions you made without having a female mentor to follow. You chose to follow the
leading of the Holy Ghost of which you were the first to receive. Best choice!

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Old 05-12-2009, 02:34 PM
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Prax you been reading to much "POPE OF PENTECOST"..LOL
I don't know what you mean. All I did was quote greek scholars...not Pentecostal books
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The passage is very simple "if a woman be not covered(uncut hair) let her be shorn(allow her to worship with cut hair) since she is allowing her hair to grow(let her be covered.)Those new converts some of them were the 'shorn women' however they had come into the church they could not grow their hair out overnight yet they had repented let them be with the understanding let them be covered or they are allowing their hair to grow.
So does anyone else interpret the passage this way? This is the first time I've heard this interpretation of those scriptures (and I've heard the uncut hair doctrine all of my life). Just wondering who else believes that's what they mean.
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Now your next assigment is to tell us from scriptures and the greek what "long" means..how long is long?
Glad to long hair komao 'let her hair grow.'
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