What Is False Holiness ?

Scott Hutchinson · #1 05-22-2009, 12:47 PM

The bible tells us in EPHESIANS 4:24 to put on true holiness and Righteousness,so what would false holiness be ?
I understand true holiness to be a result of one having a quality relationship with The Lord which goes from to inner man to outer man if you will ?

True Holiness also would consist of a believer walking in a way of integrity that pleases The Lord.

What would false holiness be comprised of ?

Sam · #2 05-22-2009, 12:54 PM

Ephesians 4:24 says true holiness is the new man which I understand to be Jesus.

On Facebook, I have stated:
Jesus is my Standard. I am holy because Jesus lives in me as the Holy Spirit. His presence in me sets me apart (sanctifies me unto God). Jesus is my righteousness and my holiness and my sins are all remitted/forgiven as I confess/admit them and therefore I stand righteous and holy in the sight of God. I don't try to establish any pseudo self righteousness or holiness based on man-made rules.

gloryseeker · #3 05-22-2009, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

The bible tells us in EPHESIANS 4:24 to put on true holiness and Righteousness,so what would false holiness be ?
I understand true holiness to be a result of one having a quality relationship with The Lord which goes from to inner man to outer man if you will ?

True Holiness also would consist of a believer walking in a way of integrity that pleases The Lord.

What would false holiness be comprised of ?

I know a Pastor and his wife who were in the UPCI for many years. Believe they still have relatives in the ministry in UPCI (not totally sure on that). Anyway the wife wrote a book called "False Holiness Standards." It is a very well researched book and is very interesting, if anyone is interested

http://www.vtabernacle.com/falseholinessstandards.asp

Scott Hutchinson · #4 05-22-2009, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by gloryseeker

I know a Pastor and his wife who were in the UPCI for many years. Believe they still have relatives in the ministry in UPCI (not totally sure on that). Anyway the wife wrote a book called "False Holiness Standards." It is a very well researched book and is very interesting, if anyone is interested

http://www.vtabernacle.com/falseholinessstandards.asp

Yes I have a copy.

freeatlast · #5 05-22-2009, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by gloryseeker

I know a Pastor and his wife who were in the UPCI for many years. Believe they still have relatives in the ministry in UPCI (not totally sure on that). Anyway the wife wrote a book called "False Holiness Standards." It is a very well researched book and is very interesting, if anyone is interested

http://www.vtabernacle.com/falseholinessstandards.asp

ahhhh ya beat me to it. linda hopper's book false holiness standards will answer many or your questions scott. you can order from her direct for 12.95

It is good reading for any holiness folks that are searching for answers as to how we got all our rules.

Another good read is Neo Phariseeism by David Wasmundt His web site is word on wings, i think

Sam · #6 05-22-2009, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

On Facebook, I have stated:
Jesus is my Standard. I am holy because Jesus lives in me as the Holy Spirit. His presence in me sets me apart (sanctifies me unto God). Jesus is my righteousness and my holiness and my sins are all remitted/forgiven as I confess/admit them and therefore I stand righteous and holy in the sight of God. I don't try to establish any pseudo self righteousness or holiness based on man-made rules.

I have received two comments to my statement.

A pastor of a large independent Pentecostal church in our area said:
"Could not be stated better or more biblically right!"

A retired UPC pastor who lives in an adjoining state said:
"Someone said it like this, 'You might be a Pharisee if you can only identify a Christian by their outward appearance.'"

Sam · #7 05-22-2009, 01:05 PM

In one of his books (can't remember the title) President Jimmy Carter told about a person who was a zealous soul winner. He had a Mennonite farmer "trapped" and kept asking, "Are you a Christian?"

The farmer reached into a shirt pocket, drew out a little notebook, wrote something on a page, tore the page out and handed it to the soulwinner. He said, "These are the names of some folks who have known me for a long time. They can tell you whether I am a Christian or not."

Sam · #8 05-22-2009, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

Yes I have a copy.

Have you read it, and, if so, what do you think of it?

Scott Hutchinson · #9 05-22-2009, 01:12 PM

Honestly though some might be offended at my answer,I think it gives honest answers,although I respect people's convictions,and if someone has honest convictions they should stay with them.
I think the book is well-researched,I also think David Bernard's in search of Holiness is a good book as well.

Sam · #10 05-22-2009, 01:33 PM

Some scriptures I've seen used by "three steppers"

1. Acts 2:38, there are three things mentioned here;
repentance, water baptism, receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost.

2. Acts 8, the folks had believed, received the Word, and had been water baptized but had not received a subsequent experience called receiving the Holy Spirit, the Spirit falling upon them, or the Spirit being given.

3. Acts 10, after the folks were saved and baptized in the Spirit Peter commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord

4. Acts 19, here again we see water water baptism and the Holy Spirit coming on them

5. John 3:5, "birth of water" is taught by Roman Catholics, Campbellites, some traditional Protestant denominations and some Apostolics to be water baptism. Birth of Spirit is taught to be what we now call the baptism in the Holy Spirit

6. 1 Cor 6:11, Paul tells the Corinthians they had been washed, sanctified, and justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and and by the Spirit of our God. Many three-steppers will tell you to stay away from the epistles to find salvation but some see a reference here to water and Spirit baptism.

7. Titus 3:5 speaks of God saving us "by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost." Again, even though this is in an epistle, some see the "washing of regeneration" as water baptism and "renewing of the Holy Ghost" as Holy Ghost Baptism.

8. Mark 16:16 is taken by some to be a "formula" for salvation.
Belief plus baptism equals salvation (birth of Spirit)

9. 1 Peter 3:21 says, "...baptism doth also now save us..."

10. Romans 6:17,18 says we used to be the servants of sin but we have "obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine..." and are now made free from sin and became servants of righteousness.

11. Romans 6 speaks of burial in baptism into death and baptism into Christ's death. It also speaks of our walking in newness of life. Some believe that the death of Christ is ineffective for us until we are baptized in water. Some also teach that just as we do not remain under the water we are to come up out of the water and that is when we receive the Holy Ghost baptism.