Bishop SC Johnson - Page 48

jaxfam6 · #**471** 06-08-2009, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by citizen

Maybe if we take the time to consider what each is saying (were all apostolics here) it could be we mean the same thing but are delivering it differently. This is how I can explain it-

When we die our body will be sown a natural body, but will be raised a spiritual body (glorified).

I see that the same way for the Messiah - His body was sown a natural body, but was raised a spiritual body - its glorified now.

When the saints die in their natural bodies they will be raised in glorified spiritual bodies but we will be who we are: a new creature that now living on earth that will become a glorified body. I will stand before God and receive rewards / crowns / really nice things.

Also Jesus told us that He would be coming back.
And Jesus will be Who we will see coming in the clouds with His angels.

'You see me You see the Father' - is how He will be seen when He returns.

Where the glorified body of the Son is now - is where the Father is and will be. The fullness of the Godhead in Jesus

Good luck with that
there are some that do NOT want to see anything other than what THEY want to see
and no matter how much things are explained they can not see anything other than they way THEY see it
everything else does NOT make sense to them rather it means the same or not

jaxfam6 · #**472** 06-08-2009, 09:22 PM

sometimes you just got to shake the dust from your feet and move on

sis_perez · #**473** 06-08-2009, 09:23 PM

I see what you are saying citizen, but some seemed to have brought 2 Gods in the Picture and I only know of one. All I am wondering is that as far as beliefs, Why do some seem to believe that the son went into heaven. Yes, that Glorified body ascended into heaven, but that was NOT the son!! The sonship started in Mary and ended on the cross. When the son died God took that body over. It was his body. Just a mysterious discussion thats all.

Steve Epley · #**474** 06-08-2009, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by sis_perez

So steve what about Acts 13 :30?????? So two raised that body?????

Jesus is God! Thus God(the Eternal Spirit that indwelt Him) raised the body from the dead. Jn. 2:19 Are you saying Jesus is NOT God?

Steve Epley · #**475** 06-08-2009, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by sis_perez

I see what you are saying citizen, but some seemed to have brought 2 Gods in the Picture and I only know of one. All I am wondering is that as far as beliefs, Why do some seem to believe that the son went into heaven. Yes, that Glorified body ascended into heaven, but that was NOT the son!! The sonship started in Mary and ended on the cross. When the son died God took that body over. It was his body. Just a mysterious discussion thats all.

Hear the Apostle Paul:
"Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is PASSED INTO the Heavens, Jesus the Son of God..." Heb. 4:14

Give us scripture that says the Son did NOT go to Heaven? I gave you Bible that says he did show me BY THE BIBLE where he did not?

jaxfam6 · #**476** 06-08-2009, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Hear the Apostle Paul:
"Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is PASSED INTO the Heavens, Jesus the Son of God..." Heb. 4:14

Give us scripture that says the Son did NOT go to Heaven? I gave you Bible that says he did show me BY THE BIBLE where he did not?

Steve come on, how many times do you have to explain something before someone gets it? Don't you think it is time to move on? Love you man but sometimes you just don't know when to just drop it. If they haven't understood you by now they never will.

citizen · #**477** 06-08-2009, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by sis_perez

I see what you are saying citizen, but some seemed to have brought 2 Gods in the Picture and I only know of one. All I am wondering is that as far as beliefs, Why do some seem to believe that the son went into heaven. Yes, that Glorified body ascended into heaven, but that was NOT the son!! The sonship started in Mary and ended on the cross. When the son died God took that body over. It was his body. Just a mysterious discussion thats all.

Sis Perez we DO believe in 1 God just like you do...but consider the scripture Brother Epley introduced -
Hbr 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast [our] profession.
The author of Hebrews told us that the Son passed into the heavens. Thats very clear.

and this one which John wrote aproximately 60, 70 or more years after Jesus died on the cross for us:

Rev 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;

The Son was speaking to the angel of the church of Thyatira (while up in heaven)
This same Son HAS eyes like a flame of fire - not HAD
This same Son's feet ARE like fine brass - not WERE like fine brass
The Son was being described as He is in heaven - after the cross.
The Father was not being described - Jesus the Son is His form.

Sam · #**478** 06-08-2009, 09:55 PM

The way I understand John 2:18-22; Acts 2:23-36; 10:38-43; 13:30; 26:23; Romans 1:3-4; 8:11 and Isaiah 26:19, Jesus as God raised the man Jesus from the dead.

sis_perez · #**479** 06-08-2009, 10:05 PM

that is what he WAS......He was the son before he DIED. He called things which were not as though they were. That is why the bible says he was manifested in the Flesh. Was there 2 spirits in that body? The bible says HE was in the world, the world was made by him, and the world know him not. When was the one that made the world in the world?
He clearly states in Rev 1 :8 I am Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the Ending, saith THE LORD, which is- which WAS, and which is to Come, the ALmighty. So the son was not in the beginning. So if the Lord is saying this, and God said to Wait for his son From Heaven, and Jesus is coming too- then are we all on the same page that Jesus Chirst is God Almighty? God said he did not No no other God.

sis_perez · #**480** 06-08-2009, 10:20 PM

Oh my God people. So you even consider the Language of the Bible? Please dont think that I am being smart. I never sat under Bishop SC Johnson, but I have heard his preaching. I was born way after he passed away. What he preached just makes sense. It seems like at some point we are on the same page and other points we are not. Does anyone believe what he preached concerining the Son of God?? If you dont than that will help me to understand what spirit is behind what each one writes. I stand firm to Believe that Jesus Christ is God Almighty our Redeemer, Lord and Savior. One spirit with all these Different titles of what he was and is, who at one time WAS the Son. His life was no more when the blood was shed. I dare anyone to say that there was Blood in that Body that the Lord God Almighty himself carried back to heaven.