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Old 06-12-2009, 06:02 PM
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Hmmmm......we did all these growing up, and I thought we were ultra strict! I just didn't know.
Lord, no, you were flaming liberals!
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Old 06-12-2009, 10:31 PM
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Re: Your experience when you dropped "dress standa

My mother would tell us such and such was preached against when she first got saved, but she didn't apply it to us.
We had board games, kids' card games, etc. But we couldn't have a regular deck of cards in the house.
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Old 06-12-2009, 10:39 PM
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We weren't allowed to read the "funny papers" (comics) either.
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Old 06-12-2009, 10:43 PM
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I was like 12 and didn't realize that poker was a bad game. See, I do think on my feet sometimes. I did have the common sense to realize that if poker was bad, strip poker was worse. I stopped with the crushing blow of poker that was accidentally leveled during innocent conversation.
My introduction to "strip poker" was on Three's Company where Mr Hurley (Don Knotts) dressed like it was the middle of winter before the game started so he would have 3x more to take off.
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Old 06-13-2009, 06:30 AM
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First things I did:

Got a Christmas tree
Painted my fingernails with clear polish
Started watching Andy Griffith

That's about as bad as it's gotten so far, folks.
You are on that slippery slope! Here is how it works;

- You start watching The Andy Griffith Show - A 1960's sitcom
- Next thing you know you are watching other 60's sitcoms like Bewitched and I Dream of Jeannie.
- Result; Before you know it you are are involved in witchcraft and find yourself shopping at Wal Mart in a halter top exposing your stomach

Ditto the nails;

-You start painting your nails with clear polish and before you know it you are painting them black and listening to KISS and Black Sabbath CD's!

Don't EVEN get me started on the Christmas Tree!!!!
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.

"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.

"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."

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Old 06-13-2009, 07:17 AM
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What I want to know is if anyone first dropped standards then decided the W/S doctrine was wrong.
It seems to follow that way with some Fred. With me and many others I know, once we saw the light of the fact that the UPC exegis of scripture concernig hair, make up, pants/dresses was so utterly flawed...well I had to ask myself, if what I have been taught on these holiness issues was so flawed, what else are we teaching that we have misintrepreted.
So eventually I began to see scripture properly and more in the PCI one step view.
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Old 06-13-2009, 08:27 AM
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You are on that slippery slope! Here is how it works;

- You start watching The Andy Griffith Show - A 1960's sitcom
- Next thing you know you are watching other 60's sitcoms like Bewitched and I Dream of Jeannie.
Uh oh.
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Re: Your experience when you dropped "dress standa

let me see...Of course I bought a computer! ha....love you folks...
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It seems to follow that way with some Fred. With me and many others I know, once we saw the light of the fact that the UPC exegis of scripture concernig hair, make up, pants/dresses was so utterly flawed...well I had to ask myself, if what I have been taught on these holiness issues was so flawed, what else are we teaching that we have misintrepreted.
So eventually I began to see scripture properly and more in the PCI one step view.
Bro. Freeatlast,

Please don't think I am trying to be offensive. I wouldn't intentionally
offend you or anyone else on this forum for anything. Is there a possi-
bility
that the light you and others may have seen as flawed, may
not have been flawed at all.


Paul gave young Timothy some wise instruction in 2Tim.3:12-17,

12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;

15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

In verse 14, he was told to continue in the things he had learned and had
been assured of, knowing of whom he had learned them,
and in verse 15,
and that from a child he had learned the holy scriptures that was able to
make him wise unto salvation, through faith that was in Christ Jesus.


In my own life, my instruction was from those who would be the most con-
cerned for my soul, grandmother Lizzie, father, Robert, and mother, Audrey.
I knew their lives, their devotion, their love for God and His Word.

Not everyone felt they could follow those instructions. Through the years
there were many people that came to hear Dad teach and preach but didn't
remain with us. Dad's gone but some of those same people as older more
mature now, have come back and joined us in later generations. They are
so thankful now for the message. No one has told them what they had to
do and what not to do. The Spirit they have received will lead and guide
them as they grow in grace and knowledge of the Lord.

I cannot imagine turning from the wonderful truths from God's Word and
also from the things the Spirit has led, that many will say are not in the Bible,
but are man-made. Many read the Word, but without the Holy Ghost, the
Spirit of Truth, they can't see any further than anyone else that is a just a
reader of the Word.
You have to obey it.

Incidentally, those things which I learned and was assured of, didn't come
from the UPC or any other organization. They had had no connections with
the the UPC back then. Just allowed the Holy Ghost to lead them. The Word
speaks of those things which the Holy Ghost teaches. In both the old and
new testaments, it says that "all thy children shall be taught
of the LORD!

Never have I felt that the things I was taught as a child, was utterly
flawed. The things I was taught from the Word and by the illumination
of the Holy Ghost through these 51 yrs, is more precious than gold.
It
has protected me, my spouse of almost 50 yrs, our marriage, our children
and now our grandchildren.

It has not only proved to be real and true for our grandmother, our father and
mother, but it is good enough for me and mine. Thank GOD for the old time
religion!

Blessings,

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Old 06-13-2009, 07:37 PM
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Re: Your experience when you dropped "dress standa

I didn't drop my standards and I never will. Jesus gave us the standard:
"Love the Lord your God with all your heart"
"Love your neighbor as yourself"
"By this will men know that you are my disciple, that you love one another"

What about dress standards? I have contended for many years that to a great extent society dictates our dress standards. Let me explain; When I was a young person in the church my pastor taught that a girls dress should cover her knees at all times. In fact, that was the standard for most of the girls in my school. That was in the 1960's - however, if those girls who lived the standard of that day attended a church from the 1860's they would not be allowed in the church with that much flesh showing.

In the early days of pentecost it was considered a "shame" for a woman to wear a red dress - she would be thought of as being a harlot. When I got married in 1968 my fiance almost called off the wedding because I wouldn't let her bridesmaids wear red dresses (it was a Christmas week wedding). Today wearing red is a common thing.

As societal mores change, so does the church. Now, with that being said, there are "standards" that do not change. The standard is modesty, sobriety and humility. If we loose those it doesn't make any difference what legal standard is set there will be no holiness.

An unfortunate reality of strict "standards" is that those standards become the standard by which we judge others - once we start judging others by our standards we are on that slippery slope that Jesus warned us not to get on. If we are willing we can learn a lot from the pharisees, and we can learn even more from the response that Jesus made to their accusations of violating their traditions.
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