Oneness and Trinitarian Unity?

[OGIA]

Originally Posted by Chan

Neither were any of the other people in first century Galilee that were named Jesus. What's your point?

Your insinuation that the name "Jesus", because of its common usage, somehow means the truth of calling on it is dimished is wrong.

[OGIA]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

Also, Gents, if read any commentary on these verses is says that when Paul said any other Jesus, it is commonly seen as meaning another Gospel than that which Paul taught. Not a different Jesus altogether. Matthew Henry commentary says this....The apostle desired to preserve the Corinthians from being corrupted by the false apostles. There is but one Jesus, one Spirit, and one gospel, to be preached to them, and received by them; and why should any be prejudiced, by the devices of an adversary, against him who first taught them in faith? They should not listen to men, who, without cause, would draw them away from those who were the means of their conversion.


It also could a reference to a legalistic teaching, as per IVP New Testament Commentaries.

Well, JTULLOCK, it's your word against a former trinitarians now. I could also bring in my best friend here who is a former trinitarian and he'd tell you the same thing.

Are you a former trinitarian, JTULLOCK?

Oh, btw, I was raised RC -- about 10 years worth.

Originally Posted by OGIA

Your insinuation that the name "Jesus", because of its common usage, somehow means the truth of calling on it is dimished is wrong.

First of all, I never insinuate. Second, the point that you so obviously missed (because you were too busy reading into my posts instead of reading them) is that the name "Jesus" is not some sort of magical word used as an incantation.

[OGIA]

Originally Posted by Chan

the name "Jesus" is not some sort of magical word used as an incantation.

Not sure I said it was. Did you read between the lines or something?

Originally Posted by OGIA

Not sure I said it was. Did you read between the lines or something?

I didn't say that you said it.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by OGIA

Well, JTULLOCK, it's your word against a former trinitarians now. I could also bring in my best friend here who is a former trinitarian and he'd tell you the same thing.

Are you a former trinitarian, JTULLOCK?

Oh, btw, I was raised RC -- about 10 years worth.

I am not former trinitarian exactly. I was in the methodist church for the first couple of yrs of my life and mom and dad taught me some about the trinity. I think it is boxing God in to say that He is not same Jesus that the trinitarians serve. They serve him as the son and savior. We serve as the God, Son, HG, Savior, etc. But it is still the same being. They are looking at Him differently. But it is the same guy. I am one Justin but my wife sees me as a husband, my daugther sees me as dad, and my mom sees me as son. But I am one Justin. If someone told either of these family members to not believe any other Justin as being me. That would make since because he would not look like me. Because there is only ONE Justin T. You get what I mean?

[OGIA]

Originally Posted by Chan

I didn't say that you said it.

Oh.

[OGIA]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

I am one Justin but my wife sees me as a husband, my daugther sees me as dad, and my mom sees me as son. But I am one Justin. If someone told either of these family members to not believe any other Justin as being me. That would make since because he would not look like me. Because there is only ONE Justin T. You get what I mean?

But, JT, the trinitarian serves Jesus Christ ONLY as the Son of God, not for who He truly is. Your analogy doesn't seem to work here.


Let me put it this way........

I DO NOT worship the same Jesus Christ as my trinitarian friend here at work. I know I don't because she speaks of Him so differently. He is not the same One that I worship. He is the 2nd being in a fictitious 3-man godhead.

btw.......if "they" worship the same Jesus, then why do we need to witness to them about who He really is?

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by OGIA

But, JT, the trinitarian serves Jesus Christ ONLY as the Son of God, not for who He truly is. Your analogy doesn't seem to work here.


Let me put it this way........

I DO NOT worship the same Jesus Christ as my trinitarian friend here at work. I know I don't because she speaks of Him so differently. He is not the same One that I worship. He is the 2nd being in a fictitious 3-man godhead.

btw.......if "they" worship the same Jesus, then why do we need to witness to them about who He really is?

That's easy. Within all of Christianity (in any sense of the word) there are "less than perfect" concepts about the bible and the nature of God and Christ in particular. It is your obligation to show a more perfect way where you can.

[OGIA]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

If you think what you believe is more correct then you have an obligation to share it.

I agree and do. But, it doesn't make sense that I would teach them about MY Jesus if they worship the same one.