As TFT used to say, "The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing!"
I am amazed to see maybe 70% or higher of former UPC bible school students no longer associated with the UPC. Aren't bible school students supposed to be the best of the best and the future of the organization? This is a very telling sign in itself!
thats the point i made a few pages back. Whats going on at CLC, IBC and for that matter UGST?
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thats the point i made a few pages back. Whats going on at CLC, IBC and for that matter UGST?
I suspect, like the American Public, the faculty at Bible Colleges aren't representative at even their own constituents in the UPCI. I would venture to say faculty at CLC, for example, are much more critical about their organization.
__________________ "all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
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You are so full of Blarney, you ought to be Irish!
I can't believe that you are pushing this, you know you think the UPC is as lost as a goose in a snowstorm!
If wasn't for the United Pentecostal Church International there would be a whole lotta Mormons around here.
UPCI ROCKS
__________________ "all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
~Declaration of Independence
Wasn't going to jump in here, but the posts quoted above rather jumped out at me...
For the record, though I don't share Sandra Sue's excitement or agree on every point, I understand where is coming from because, this is how she views it from her house.
The view from our individual porches will be different, and it is based on experiences and personal convictions and principles.
And as I already have a full-time job keeping my own convictions and principles in line, I hardly have time to concern myself with what others say or do.
I would, however, like to share a few thoughts regarding joy in division...
Someone posted on another thread the other day that they would be "happy" to see the UPCI fold.
Why would this make anyone happy?!
Certainly it can be said that there is no perfect situation or church or organization or home or job or family or PERSON.
Wherever we find people we can count on there being problems, and just because the United Pentecostal Church, International is a ministerial alliance, it is not exempt from this.
There are a zillion things I could list where I disagree with the UPCI, and where, IMHO, they have erred in judgment.
But to say that it would bring me joy to see the organization fold or split again...no way!!
How many have ever been through a church split?! YES!!!
Well, I have, and it ain't pretty. The hurt and the damage it does to relationships, with families divided...the bickering and backbiting that goes on in the name of "I'm right and you're wrong!!"
It's tragic, and some never recover from it. Others do move on, and I like to think that I have, yet this morning I admit it is heart wrenching for me to even speak of these things, though it was 7 years ago.
The UPCI is made up of people...good people, regardless of problems or disagreements or whatever.
There are ministers and their families, congregations, and missionaries who have longstanding ties and fellowship with each other, and the pain of separation for some will be just as great as the church split I mentioned.
I see no happiness to be found in any of it...
My prayer is that if changes do come, they are Scripture based and God ordained.
And might I add, my respect for those quoted above grows daily...having a different view, yet honoring your past is a wonderful thing.
Excellent post, Barb! Wisdom and experience speaks here!!
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