Oneness and Trinitarian Unity?

[OGIA]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Maybe you could as Paul taught Apollo, teach them about the way "more perfectly." Apparently Apollo was a true believer even though he had room for growth in truth. See it is the whole point of demonizing folks that are believers in Jesus Christ that you fail to understand. How can you minister in the Spirit to folks and marginalize the at the same time.

I will address this post, because what I will say will answer your previous I hope.

Just because I come on a forum and talk about someone not worshipping the same Jesus as me does not mean I do not minister to those same people "in the Spirit" about the truths the Lord has revealed to me. You don't seem to have read any of the posts where I stated this. I do not "marginalize" people who don't have this understanding. But, that still doesn't mean they worship the same Jesus as I do.

Keep the issue separate from the emotions and keep the biblical facts straight:

Anyone who does NOT worship the Lord Jesus Christ as the ONLY God of eternity does NOT worship the same Jesus as I do. Nevertheless, that fact DOES pain me and I DO seek to give them what I've been given.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Your comparing trinitarians to be the same as Muslims is extreme and absolutely false. Muslims hate the Holy Bible, trinitarians believe in the Jesus of the Holy Bible, though they interpret differently does not make Him someone else. They believe Jesus is the Son of God, and scripture says no one can believe this but by the Spirit, and such a one is born of God. So I will not call what God has blessed unclean, and neither should you.

Do they have perfect understanding? Do you? Is your lack more sanctified than their? We need to open our eyes and realize there is a God and he is bigger than our understanding.

The division is of our own making, as long as men demand that everyone thinks and understands the things of God EXACTLY the same the body will be divided against itself. If we have an attitude of love and cooperation the Holy Spirit brings unity, not perfect carbon copies, but unity of Spirit.

But, Alas all men seem to have to have their way or its the parting of ways. Have you raised children? If you have more than two, they will be different and process information differently simply due to temperament, so will you allow the family to split over different understanding? Sadly in the family of God men do.

It does not do damage to my faith to embrace the wider body of Christ, and in many cases they receive from me and I have learned from them. The result is I am a stronger believer in Jesus Christ than I would have been otherwise.

The Scripture is still my standard, and Jesus is still the Savior of the world.

Great post! Thank you very much!

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by sola gratia

you have no clue what you are talking about. Your post shows your extreme ignorance on a theological level. Extreme!


Again - you have NO CLUE --- NO CLUE, you sound silly when you utter such nonesense


I remember this. Gee, Bro how long did this last, about as long as the rest of your revelations I would guess. You cant be taken seriously at this juncture because you flip flop so much on so many issues, and they are all salvational... Again Bro - you need some quality time with the Word, and some sound teaching. You really cant argue or debate your way out of a paper bag at this point



I dont believe this Bro Epley - I think you're grandstanding. Read any mainstream trinitarian doctrinal statement or any of the creeds Nicene, Anthanasian.... If they believe Jesus is not God, then they are not trinitarians!

Great post too! Thank you!

[OGIA]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

There are people that believe Jesus is the only high power, as in that there is no reason for a creator, or the Holy Ghost. Jesus is the only high power, but there is the need for the Creator, and the HG. Jesus only people are a little wierd. But Jesus everything is where Jesus is all in all and everything to you. That is the way most UPCI people believe.

But, what about my question:

if something is the only thing, isn't it also everything?

[OGIA]

I thought I ought to address to specific points in your post I said I'd address in my last one:

Originally Posted by crakjak

Your comparing trinitarians to be the same as Muslims is extreme and absolutely false. Muslims hate the Holy Bible

I am not comparing trinitarians with Muslims in the manner you are accusing me of. I'm comparing their beliefs, specifically how each one believes differently about God than I do.

trinitarians believe in the Jesus of the Holy Bible, though they interpret differently does not make Him someone else.

Who defines who God (Jesus Christ) is, crakjak?

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by OGIA

I will address this post, because what I will say will answer your previous I hope.

Just because I come on a forum and talk about someone not worshipping the same Jesus as me does not mean I do not minister to those same people "in the Spirit" about the truths the Lord has revealed to me. You don't seem to have read any of the posts where I stated this. I do not "marginalize" people who don't have this understanding. But, that still doesn't mean they worship the same Jesus as I do.

Keep the issue separate from the emotions and keep the biblical facts straight:

Anyone who does NOT worship the Lord Jesus Christ as the ONLY God of eternity does NOT worship the same Jesus as I do. Nevertheless, that fact DOES pain me and I DO seek to give them what I've been given.

You seek to give them a line that is totally contradicting to itself? You accually want people to get so confused talking about 2 Jesus' or 10 Jesus' that they think you are crazy? How do you teach a trinitarian that Jesus is God and not #2 in the Trinity if you believe there is a different Jesus? It would be hard for me to believe it works well because you sound ridiculous talking about more than 1 Jesus.

[OGIA]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

You seek to give them a line that is totally contradicting to itself? You accually want people to get so confused talking about 2 Jesus' or 10 Jesus' that they think you are crazy? How do you teach a trinitarian that Jesus is God and not #2 in the Trinity if you believe there is a different Jesus? It would be hard for me to believe it works well because you sound ridiculous talking about more than 1 Jesus.

I'm going to say this one more time: I do NOT talk to trinitarians like I'm talking to YOU, one who CLAIMS to be Oneness.

Get it?


I DO NOT tell them they worship a different Jesus than me!

Get it?

Now, try to stick to the topic and quit accusing me of trash you're making up.

[Jack Shephard]

[QUOTE=OGIA;78082]I am not comparing trinitarians with Muslims in the manner you are accusing me of. I'm comparing their beliefs, specifically how each one believes differently about God than I do. QUOTE]

You can not even compare trinitarians beliefs with Muslim beliefs. They are not even close. Now you can somewhat compare Islam and Mormonism. But Islam and Trinitarians different "Gods" is not right. Islam teaches God is for their religion, but Trinitarians are christians, but a different demoniational structure. You are way off.

[Steve Epley]

[QUOTE=JTULLOCK;78089]

Originally Posted by OGIA

I am not comparing trinitarians with Muslims in the manner you are accusing me of. I'm comparing their beliefs, specifically how each one believes differently about God than I do. QUOTE]

You can not even compare trinitarians beliefs with Muslim beliefs. They are not even close. Now you can somewhat compare Islam and Mormonism. But Islam and Trinitarians different "Gods" is not right. Islam teaches God is for their religion, but Trinitarians are christians, but a different demoniational structure. You are way off.

A Trinitarian is NOT a Christian in the Biblical sense no more than a Mormon is a Christian or a JW is a Christian or a Catholic is a Christian. You sir are the one who is off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Whole Hearted]

There can be no unity between TRUTH AND ERROR,