Oneness and Trinitarian Unity?

[OGIA]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

You can not even compare trinitarians beliefs with Muslim beliefs. They are not even close. Now you can somewhat compare Islam and Mormonism. But Islam and Trinitarians different "Gods" is not right. Islam teaches God is for their religion, but Trinitarians are christians, but a different demoniational structure. You are way off.

Never mind!

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by OGIA

I'm going to say this one more time: I do NOT talk to trinitarians like I'm talking to YOU, one who CLAIMS to be Oneness.

Get it?


I DO NOT tell them they worship a different Jesus than me!

Get it?

Now, try to stick to the topic and quit accusing me of trash you're making up.

Trash I am making up? It sounds like you made up the trash of separate Jesus'. All I am asking why you do not tell them that? If that is what you really believe then you should not hide that part of it. If that is part of what you believe the Bible teaches then do them a favor and tell them that. Because if I and the others are wrong we need to be shown that in the Bible. I honestly do not see where you are getting that. Please take no offense to my point of view. I take no offense to yours even though I believe it is incorrect.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by OGIA

But, what about my question:

if something is the only thing, isn't it also everything?

If you say Jesus is the only then that mean He can never be anything but Jesus. If He is everything then He can be the friend, healer, Master...etc

[OGIA]

All I am asking why you do not tell them that?

I've just answered that and will not address it again. You can go back and find out my response if you'd like.

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

If you say Jesus is the only then that mean He can never be anything but Jesus.

Never be anything BUT Jesus??????




I'm going to have to process that one, JT.

If He is everything then He can be the friend, healer, Master...etc

Even IF He is ONLY Jesus, He is still EVERYTHING!!

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by OGIA

I've just answered that and will not address it again. You can go back and find out my response if you'd like.


Never be anything BUT Jesus??????




I'm going to have to process that one, JT.







Even IF He is ONLY Jesus, He is still EVERYTHING!!

I should have not gotten to deep for you. My fault

[Jack Shephard]

You know this thread was started for the intent to say whether Oneness and Trinitarins can get together. Well as we have seen the Oneness can not even get together. I believe there are people viewing and posting in this thread that believe a trinitarian is a person that believes in three separate beings that work together to run the world, i.e. Father talks to the Son who talks to the HG and then the decision is handed down. Those people are Tritheists. Like catholics.

Trinitarians we would agree that the Assembly of God is in that class, right? Well from their site, WE BELIEVE...There is only One True God–revealed in three persons...Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (commonly known as the Trinity).
Now this says revealed in that suggests that they are all in one being God.

Now off the UPCI site:There is only one God (Deuteronomy 6:4). He is the creator of heaven and earth, and of all living beings. He has revealed Himself to humanity as the Father (Creator), in the son (Savior), and as the Holy Ghost (indwelling Spirit).

Similar...yeah it is so we can unite, but some oneness people would rather die instead of doing that, but God desires us to unify.

[OGIA]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

I should have not gotten to deep for you. My fault

I forgive you.

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

Similar...yeah it is so we can unite, but some oneness people would rather die instead of doing that, but God desires us to unify.

Shame on them Oneness folk!!



JT, God does not desire unity with untruth. You can seek it all day long, buddy, but you can count me out. They either accept the truth of Oneness or they don't. I will not compromise the truth that God died for just so I can say I desire unity. That is NOT the unity the Lord speaks of OR blesses.

With that, I think I'm outta here. This is almost as unproductive as COOP's UPC threads.







Note: I said "ALMOST"!

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by ChicagoPastor

I've posted this before...
Although Jim Bakker is not Oneness in doctrine, He and his family are baptized in Jesus name. They went to a AOG Church in Michigan that taught Jesus name baptism. His sister and neice and I think a few other family members later came into the UPC. His neice said that there are several AOG churches that baptize only in the name of Jesus

I know someone who was raised AOG and both his parents were licensed...he was given the choice, triune formula or Jesus name and he chose Jesus name.

I have friends that left my church over standards to go to an independent Apostolic church. They moved up north where there was just a UPC and when she told the pastor there why she left us down here he decided not to have her family there. So her and her hubby and their boys started going to an AOG. She has been very upfront about her belief in baptism in Jesus name and her view of the Godhead. They are both very much involved in the AOG. He is on the board now and she teaches classes. Her last two boys are going to be baptized by that pastor in Jesus name.

BTW Paul Price told her if they ever wanted to have then baptized in Jesus name he would do it too....she was shocked when I told her recently that PP was a pretty conservative UPCer

Originally Posted by OGIA

But, JT, the trinitarian serves Jesus Christ ONLY as the Son of God, not for who He truly is. Your analogy doesn't seem to work here.

This is not true. Trinitarians believe Jesus is fully God and fully man. The Nicene and Constantinopolitan Creeds state that Jesus, with regard to His divinity, is the same substance as the Father.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

If you say Jesus is the only then that mean He can never be anything but Jesus. If He is everything then He can be the friend, healer, Master...etc

The problem here I see is something I see with a lot of OPs and even Trinitarians...failing to define terms.

You said "If you say Jesus is the only"
And I ask...only what?
He said "only thing"
And I ask...what is a thing? Is Jesus just a thing?
Chan knows what I believe as a Oneness and he said it right. I believe there is ONLY one Person to God and that Person has two different modes or forms of being that are Father and Son. The Son is distinct from the Father in that he has a complete human nature and having a complete human nature he is then also psychologically someone other than God, but not ontologically or hypostatically. Jesus, the Son, has a human psyche, mind and will so that he functions as another person, but hypostatically and ontologically He and the Father are the same