Oneness and Trinitarian Unity?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

Praxeas, I am beginning to think your av with the silly helmet is very appropriate for you. How someone can get from what I posted that I had taught this guy Trinity is quite a stretch don't you think?

I have quoted this guy stating "the Quran testifies to Jesus' virgin birth and to the messiahship of Jesus and it says blasphemy is the doctrine of the trinity." From this you have me teaching someone Trinity?

BTW, he says he is a practicing Sikh. His wife is the one who is a Muslim or at least she was when they married.

As to why I posted this, I just found it rather interesting that someone who grew up in a UPC culture would convert to Islam. I also found it interesting that the Quran says blasphemy is the doctrine of the Trinity.

Well then the Quran is correct on ONE point.

[sola gratia]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Well then the Quran is correct on ONE point.

the Quran teaches Jesus is not God, nor diety at all.

[Truly Blessed]

Another quote from this former UPC guy;

"For 3 years and I had the opportunity to study first hand the religion of Islam and the real followers of the religion and I found them most wonderful and a true Holiness, charitable people. What disturbs me is that so many people go on about Islam like they were experts and have nothing whatsoever to base it on except some hearsay which some fundamentalist is spreading or outright telling lies."

I agree with him that most Christians have never really studied other religions for themselves, but rely on someone else's interpretation of what some other religion believes. I find the same thing happens a lot in regards to Oneness and Trinitarians and their presentation of what one another believe.

[Truly Blessed]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Well then the Quran is correct on ONE point.

So funny! When I wrote this I was going to add that even SE would agree with this point in the Quran.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by OGIA

When a trinitarian worships God for less than Who He has revealed Himself to be, do you think God accepts that worship? Remember John 4:24.[/QUOTE/
In the OT in the priest offered smoke to God in the temple. That is because all they knew about temple worship. If God is a jealous God, as He said He is, then I believe He would receive that worship. If He would not then why is everyone given a measure of faith?

That is your opinion, but was not meant to be riddled with it.


Truth is not just a Person. It is a teaching, a system of beliefs, etc. No, Jesus Christ didn't die for Himself, but you are just being coy about the statement.

How am I being coy? I told you what truth is. The BIBLE says that Jesus is the way, the TRUTH, and the life. Now how was that being coy? Oh maybe because I did not agree with you? Or maybe because I am right and you had to have something to try and rebut with.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

So funny! When I wrote this I was going to add that even SE would agree with this point in the Quran.

Yep that is ONE and probably the ONLY point correct in that religious funny book.

[Truly Blessed]

Started more than 500 years ago as both a reaction against and a synthesis of Islam and Hinduism, the Sikh faith teaches that God is not a personal savior or a superhuman force, but is the abstract principle of truth. In the 1,430-page-long Sikh holy book, the Guru Granth Sahib, you can find snatches of wisdom from both the Koran and the Hindu vedic texts. Consequently, Sikhs have much in common, and much in dispute, with orthodox Islamic thought.

For their part, Muslims regard Sikhs to be Ahl-e-zima, protected minorities, and Ahl-e-kitab, people of the book, a class that includes Judaism and Christianity as well. Like orthodox Muslims, for instance, Sikhs regard all human beings to be of one brotherhood, equal, regardless of social status. In addition, while Sikhs often hang portraits of the 10 founders of the Sikh religion in their temples, they condemn the worship of idols.

"From the beginning, Sikhism was a reaction to Hinduism and in particular to their idol worship," says Anis Ahmad, professor of religious studies at Islamic University in Islamabad, Pakistan. "Islam is in line with an earlier tradition, such as Judaism, in its dislike of idol worship. So they have a lot in common."

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

Started more than 500 years ago as both a reaction against and a synthesis of Islam and Hinduism, the Sikh faith teaches that God is not a personal savior or a superhuman force, but is the abstract principle of truth. In the 1,430-page-long Sikh holy book, the Guru Granth Sahib, you can find snatches of wisdom from both the Koran and the Hindu vedic texts. Consequently, Sikhs have much in common, and much in dispute, with orthodox Islamic thought.

For their part, Muslims regard Sikhs to be Ahl-e-zima, protected minorities, and Ahl-e-kitab, people of the book, a class that includes Judaism and Christianity as well. Like orthodox Muslims, for instance, Sikhs regard all human beings to be of one brotherhood, equal, regardless of social status. In addition, while Sikhs often hang portraits of the 10 founders of the Sikh religion in their temples, they condemn the worship of idols.

"From the beginning, Sikhism was a reaction to Hinduism and in particular to their idol worship," says Anis Ahmad, professor of religious studies at Islamic University in Islamabad, Pakistan. "Islam is in line with an earlier tradition, such as Judaism, in its dislike of idol worship. So they have a lot in common."

Have you really read all that stuff?????????? If so I salute you you must have the patience of Job. I get wore out reading James Vernon Magee.

[Truly Blessed]

I have a lot of books on these religions and need to take more time to read them because here in Surrey we have so many different religions. We actually have a Peoples Hindi English Service every Sunday night at 6:00PM. I am learning more and more from the leader of this fellowship group.

[OGIA]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

How am I being coy? I told you what truth is. The BIBLE says that Jesus is the way, the TRUTH, and the life. Now how was that being coy? Oh maybe because I did not agree with you? Or maybe because I am right and you had to have something to try and rebut with.

JT, this is getting old.

Jesus Christ IS the truth. He is also the Word. Does that mean when I hold the Word of God in my hand that I'm holding HIM in my hand? Everytime I read the word "word" in the Bible is it referring to Jesus Christ? No, it doesn't. Apply that to the word "truth".

God died that this truth might be known, preached and accepted. Yes, the Man who IS the truth did die, but He also died FOR the truth.

If you can't follow that..........well, even if you can.....I'm going to bow out of this. It's quite silly. Nothing personal.