I asked a Mormon bishop right out about the temple baptism once - which includes their "baptism for the dead" - and he told me plainly that they baptized "in Jesus name."
Whether he was just giving me answer "to make me happy" or not, I could not tell. Their literature does seem like they could go either way. Perhaps they do go either way, depending upon the beliefs of the local leaders involved, or what have you. To be as successful as the Mormon Church has been, they probably have to give on a lot of points.
As far as Geleen Beck's mocking goes, I missed that. I've never heard his radio show. If he did say that, I think it's unfortunate and folks ought to politely point out his gaff. He'd probably clarify himself and apologize.
What if his only exposure to "Jesus name baptism" consisted of Steve Winter and Rev. Reckard? It would be easy to see where he get's his mocking tone.
I had a teacher in high school who was Mormon. The literature I read said that they baptized in Jesus Name, and he confirmed that he was baptized in Jesus Name.
On Glenn Beck radio show today, he imitates wild-eyed preacher fanatic voice and says, "C'm 'ere, I'm going to baptize you in Jesus' Name and cast those demons out of you." I think his tone even emphasized Jesus Name, so I bolded it like I think I heard it, but all went by quickly.
The larger context was to mock extremists, to appeal to moderate Democrats, as to say, "I understand you're not like this." (Almost a quote.) So, JN baptizing preachers weren't being specifically mocked, but used as emblematic of mock-worthy extremists.
So, are JN folk becoming the 21st Century code for "nutjob?" In the previous decades, I recall the code joke was "holy rollers." But havent' heard that term lately. Thanks, Glenn, nice to learn who you Mormons regard as wacko.
Purely out of curiosity, I wonder if the reaction here would be any different if it were a different host on a different network...
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[COLOR="Blue"]Isn't this something Glen Beck Mocks those that believe TRUTH and the thread moves away from this jerk to what Mormons believe in the first post.
IMO, I accurately captured the context, which was his mock of extremists while speaking to/at his (imaginary?) moderate Democrat audience, and not specifically targeting JN believers. So, our name came up when he reached into his (punching) bag, and that's somewhat telling, but not conclusive. The obvious irony is--who's the bigger extremist, GB or wild eyed preachers?
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[COLOR="Blue"]I guess the right wing apostolic's like this guy so much he can insult them any way he wants.
Like a man that beats his wife. The wife in denial says OH he didn't mean to hurt me.
Yes of course--being on "the right" side (whether right or left) purchases many liberties among the same perceived "team". This concept not unlike how a certain race commonly uses the n word in a familial, affectionate way, but no one else is allowed to use it the same way, regardless how familial or affectionate. So, some on AFF come to the defense of Mormons, as if Mormonism teaches the same Jesus. GB probably does not represent Mormons in general, so that was an overgeneralization to even mention it, on my part.
I'm wondering if you feel like what Beck said is indicative of disdain whether it is said by him or anyone else?
I didn't hear what he said, but from reading the first post, my assumption was not that he was speaking of Apostolics, since he's probably not familiar with them. To form an opinion on how he said what he said, I'd have to hear it in context.
In general, I don't take offense to something someone says until they've established a pattern of behavior that indicates that they are disdainful of a religion, or group, or whatever. I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt at first. (unless of course, the first statement is completely way over the top) I might raise my eyebrows, but I'd wait and see if this was a pattern for them.
I would do that for liberal Democrats, as well as conservative Republicans.
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