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Re: Another "Apostolic Identity" in March 2010 PH.
Does it say that these statements are ex-cathedra from another Bernard piece?
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Re: Another "Apostolic Identity" in March 2010 PH.
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Does it say that these statements are ex-cathedra from another Bernard piece?
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There is no indication of it on the article... I checked the first few pages to see if there was a "reference" or "bibliography" section... nothing.
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Re: Another "Apostolic Identity" in March 2010 PH.
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There is no indication of it on the article... I checked the first few pages to see if there was a "reference" or "bibliography" section... nothing.
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Any wording about the New Birth?
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Re: Another "Apostolic Identity" in March 2010 PH.
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Any wording about the New Birth?
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Re: Another "Apostolic Identity" in March 2010 PH.
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Re: Another "Apostolic Identity" in March 2010 PH.
As long as I have been in the UPC there were times where they emphasized standards. Other times they emphasized the Godhead etc etc. It's a recurring theme and I doubt there is a conspiracy afoot
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Re: Another "Apostolic Identity" in March 2010 PH.
What we need to hear is creating Apostolic History, instead of Apostolic Identity.... you can be a "poser" (90's word for imposter)... but history, well guess what young people?
You have to create your own history with God!!
You can inherit "Apostolic Identity" but it will only get you so far. History takes time to happen, and you make your own history with God irregardless of your lineage!
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Re: Another "Apostolic Identity" in March 2010 PH.
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As long as I have been in the UPC there were times where they emphasized standards. Other times they emphasized the Godhead etc etc. It's a recurring theme and I doubt there is a conspiracy afoot
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In my 50+ years in or around the UPC I have never seen a time when standards and the Godhead were both not the main emphasis. Not just main but the extreme focus.
Obviously there are exceptions but I am speaking about the majority of churches and the vast majority of campmeetings, conferences, and articles.
Even when the stated topic of a sermon is not standards or the godhead they usually end up being a prominent part of the content.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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Re: Another "Apostolic Identity" in March 2010 PH.
You can cheat on your wife and keep your license. You can't cheat on the dress code and keep your license. District Superintendent said if their identity is lost if the dress code is compromised. That is a recipie for disaster.
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I don't follow Pentecostal politics too closely, even if they are interesting. But again this month the Pentecostal Herald hosts another article on "Apostolic Identity".
It seems that big brother is pushing a particular agenda. I've been to 1 UPCI youth rally this year, the subject was holiness, reports from our Youth District Leader is that all 3 or 4 Youth Rallies he's attended this year have been about Holiness.
Where does one divert the majority his attention: the major issue!
You don't buy a new roof if your basement is flooding. It seems to me (an outsider from Michigan) that the UPCi know's it's losing its stronghold on the "Holiness Look" and diverting its attention on not losing its foothold, rather than preaching Jesus.
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Re: Another "Apostolic Identity" in March 2010 PH.
Here's a naive thought.
Why not create a Christ identity?
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What we need to hear is creating Apostolic History, instead of Apostolic Identity.... you can be a "poser" (90's word for imposter)... but history, well guess what young people?
You have to create your own history with God!!
You can inherit "Apostolic Identity" but it will only get you so far. History takes time to happen, and you make your own history with God irregardless of your lineage!
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A religious spirit allows people to tolerate hatred and anger under the guise of passion and holiness. Bill Johnson
Legalism has no pity on people. Legalism makes my opinion your burden, makes opinion your boundary, makes my opinion your obligation-Lucado
Some get spiritual because they see the light. Others because they feel the heat.Ray Wylie Hubbard
Definition of legalism- Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. TV
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