Read Segraves on "letting down hair"

Praxeas · #1 03-06-2010, 02:18 PM

UGST has the documents for reading here

http://www.ugst.org/page.cfm?p=613

LadyRev · #2 03-06-2010, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

UGST has the documents for reading here

http://www.ugst.org/page.cfm?p=613

Amazing!

pelathais · #3 03-06-2010, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by LadyRev

Amazing!

Segraves states that this issue is so sensitive that he feels he cannot identify the author of a document detailing several references to the occult to support using a woman's uncut hair as a magical talisman.

From the citations to "shaking it in the wind" - it seems that LS may have read the same source material. And, this is the subject of discussion at the UPCI's seminary symposium, a forum where doctrinal controversies are aired out. Yet some will say that DAII is the one who "invented" this controversy.

Since DAII wasn't even referenced in the symposium papers it seems that this controversy really does exist and that it exists with or without DAII's participation in the debate.

berkeley · #4 03-07-2010, 02:00 AM

!WoW!

DAII · #5 03-07-2010, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

Segraves states that this issue is so sensitive that he feels he cannot identify the author of a document detailing several references to the occult to support using a woman's uncut hair as a magical talisman.

From the citations to "shaking it in the wind" - it seems that LS may have read the same source material. And, this is the subject of discussion at the UPCI's seminary symposium, a forum where doctrinal controversies are aired out. Yet some will say that DAII is the one who "invented" this controversy.

Since DAII wasn't even referenced in the symposium papers it seems that this controversy really does exist and that it exists with or without DAII's participation in the debate.

Johnny come latelys, like Junior Detective, Bob Dylan, would like to reframe the argument acting as if this controversy just sprung up when I started getting vocal about it, in 2007, with the HMH blog.

Truth be told it has been at the center of the storm for a long time ... for about a decade and a half ... Guys like MB know that it was fodder on FaithChild and New Faith Child ...

With articles by Newman and Murphy concerning Power Before the Throne being discussed in 2003 ... like this one:
http://web.archive.org/web/200502042...3bookforum.htm

And Jim Yohe giving Reider a chance to respond here:
http://web.archive.org/web/200502151...dbackforum.htm

Terms like "divine hair", "holy hair" and "magic hair" predate me ever coming to the scene ... and I cannot take credit for coining them.

JY was to write a book on the topic before he passed, according to friends.

Pressing-On · #6 03-07-2010, 08:10 AM

Karen Harding, Thursday night, March 4, 2010, San Marcos, Texas - "There is power in uncut hair. I was in services with Brother Stoneking in Houston."

This is going to be our modern day Latter Rain Movement!! We will weather this storm.

We have seen people leave, pivoting away from sound doctrine concerning the Gospel message. Anywhere you go, from my observation, something is being preached incorrectly. BTW, His name is Jesus. It is not Father God. That is just so annoying! LOL!

D. Wright · #7 03-07-2010, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Karen Harding, Thursday night, March 4, 2010, San Marcos, Texas - "There is power in uncut hair. I was in services with Brother Stoneking in Houston."

This is going to be our modern day Latter Rain Movement!! We will weather this storm.

We have seen people leave, pivoting away from sound doctrine concerning the Gospel message. Anywhere you go, from my observation, something is being preached incorrectly. BTW, His name is Jesus. It is not Father God. That is just so annoying! LOL!

Heard it in TX, now you can believe it's happening.

DAII · #8 03-07-2010, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Karen Harding, Thursday night, March 4, 2010, San Marcos, Texas - "There is power in uncut hair. I was in services with Brother Stoneking in Houston."

This is going to be our modern day Latter Rain Movement!! We will weather this storm.

We have seen people leave, pivoting away from sound doctrine concerning the Gospel message. Anywhere you go, from my observation, something is being preached incorrectly. BTW, His name is Jesus. It is not Father God. That is just so annoying! LOL!

Harding said that ... WOW. Not surprised by disappointed.

I agree PO ... this is Branham and friends revisited.

Its a matter of time that audio tapes of the prophet will become part of the liturgy.

Pressing-On · #9 03-07-2010, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by D. Wright

Heard it in TX, now you can believe it's happening.

I was surprised to hear it. Yes. Not a whole lot of response from the audience on that.

As I said, this is looking to become our modern "latter rain movement". We will weather this.

I was around a host of people the past three days who have major, fundamental differences in theology. I observed that no one was 100% correct in every area of the Bible, just like no one on this forum is 100% in every area.

No sense in bailing for Father God terminology, Holy Ghost is for empowerment and is not salvific, can't speak in tongues in a church service, etc. You have to choose where to stand through all of this. Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. That appears to be the bottom line for me.

Pressing-On · #10 03-07-2010, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DAII

Harding said that ... WOW. Not surprised by disappointed.

I agree PO ... this is Branham and friends revisited.

Its a matter of time that audio tapes of the prophet will become part of the liturgy.

Daniel,
I'm serious. I think all the blood drained out of my face. But, God spoke to me about this later and I understand the passage better.

We have order as in - the head of every man is Christ, head of woman is man and head of Christ is God.

If we do not maintain unity and submission in that order, we have no "power" - exousia: privilege,freedom, right and strength. It is not dunamis: force, specifically miraculous power.

I Peter 3 goes into this further - our prayers can be hindered. My husband is only as strong behind the pulpit as my support for him and vice versa.

We then get into gender distinction. In the book of Genesis God made male and female and He called that good. He wants a distinction. It is important. That is the point on the hair.

If we look for anything else in this passage we are looking for a bad, magical Disney movie, IMO.