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Old 03-09-2010, 08:04 AM
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I don't believe in making ones hair something of a glorified mess. It should be nice and kept. Mild organization that does not bring attention to oneself. You might want to read how the early church in the first few centuries looked at this stuff. You might be amazed and how they clearly limited any type of elevating oneself in appearance.
I understand that the early church did not believe in self glory via appearance.

The question here is whether tattoo's are self glorification. The answer is no more than fixing your hair nice for Sunday night service is. Actually, it is probably less being that everyone can't see your tattoo, whereas your hair is fixed for everyone to see.

I guess technically the question was about earrings, lol. This is kind of a branch off of that question, I reckon. lol.
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Old 03-09-2010, 08:38 AM
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The early church wanted God to have the glory in ALL things...I am afraid we lag behind them in many ways...
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Old 03-09-2010, 09:06 AM
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I understand that the early church did not believe in self glory via appearance.

The question here is whether tattoo's are self glorification. The answer is no more than fixing your hair nice for Sunday night service is. Actually, it is probably less being that everyone can't see your tattoo, whereas your hair is fixed for everyone to see.

I guess technically the question was about earrings, lol. This is kind of a branch off of that question, I reckon. lol.
Have you seen tattoos lately? hidden? Also since when does something hidden from others limit how a person can feel pride and everything else in life about such?
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There's no NT prohibition against bestiality either.
sex with an animal would be wrong (unless you were married to the animal), wouldn't it?
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sex with an animal would be wrong (unless you were married to the animal), wouldn't it?
Why add the qualifier "unless you were married..."???? Isn't it wrong no matter what?
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sex with an animal would be wrong (unless you were married to the animal), wouldn't it?
Let's hope so! LOL And why did you add that qualifier (unless you were married to the animal)?

My point was that bestiality is only specifically mentioned in the OT, not the NT. That doesn't mean we can go sleep with animals now since we're under grace.
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I believe he is equating his marriage and others too... HAHAHAHA
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The argument of "if it is not repeated in the NT it doesn't matter" is about as idiotic as it gets. Paul says all scripture is given for instruction in righteousness.
Yes BUT Paul says we are NOT under the law. The Law is a schoolmaster to bring us TO Christ and once we come to Christ we are no longer under the law.

So that is why, if it is not repeated in the NT it is not a part of the new covenant.

It's not idiotic at all. Do you really keep the entire law of Moses because Paul said all scripture is given?
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Let's hope so! LOL And why did you add that qualifier (unless you were married to the animal)?

My point was that bestiality is only specifically mentioned in the OT, not the NT. That doesn't mean we can go sleep with animals now since we're under grace.
Bestiality is not mentioned in the NT however we do have many scriptures that teach on God's order of creation that man is made for woman and vice versa, not for animals

Rom 1:21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
Rom 1:22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
Rom 1:24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves,
Rom 1:25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature;
Rom 1:27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
Rom 1:28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.
Rom 1:29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips,
Rom 1:30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
Rom 1:32 Though they know God's decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

Rom 13:13 Let us live decently as in the daytime, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and sensuality, not in discord and jealousy.

The ONLY sanctified relation is marriage. If a woman is unfaithful to her husband he can divorce her. The NT teaches explicitly that all other relations outside the marriage is wrong.

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1Co 6:13 "Food is for the stomach and the stomach is for food, but God will do away with both."11 The body is not for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body.
1Co 6:14 Now God indeed raised the Lord and he will raise us by his power.
1Co 6:15 Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Should I take the members of Christ and make them members of a prostitute? Never!
1Co 6:16 Or do you not know that anyone who is united with12 a prostitute is one body with her?13 For it is said, "The two will become one flesh."14
1Co 6:17 But the one united with15 the Lord is one spirit with him.16
1Co 6:18 Flee sexual immorality! "Every sin a person commits is outside of the body"17 — but the immoral person sins against his own body.

You have sex with an animal you are joined to that animal just as you would be with a prostitute.

One definition of this word from the greek is lewd
Preoccupied with sex and sexual desire; lustful.

The word is said to cover all sexual sins
Porneía may also refer to marriages within the degrees prohibited by the Law of Moses and generally to all such intercourse as prohibited in that Law

Paul clearly identifies the only sexual relationship acceptable is that between a man and a woman in marraige
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Yes BUT Paul says we are NOT under the law. The Law is a schoolmaster to bring us TO Christ and once we come to Christ we are no longer under the law.

So that is why, if it is not repeated in the NT it is not a part of the new covenant.

It's not idiotic at all. Do you really keep the entire law of Moses because Paul said all scripture is given?
Being under the administration of the covenant and knowing and doing what is righteous are two different things. There was no NT to the early church. They had the sciptures of the Jews to look at. God's righteousness is all throughout scripture and the same line of reasoning is consistent.
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