The "Claim to the Name"

[ManOfWord]

I personally don't think it is a matter of "use" but a matter of understanding. Someone who doesn't understand biblical oneness just can't get a handle on what God did. Doesn't matter when it comes to salvation, but the oneness understanding is incredible! I've seen it dawn on Trinitarian seminarians, I've taught and it just seems to drive them to their faces in awe and humility.

It is unfortunate that some with this understanding hold it in arrogance and perceived superiority. It is still a wonder to me!

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

I personally don't think it is a matter of "use" but a matter of understanding. Someone who doesn't understand biblical oneness just can't get a handle on what God did. Doesn't matter when it comes to salvation, but the oneness understanding is incredible! I've seen it dawn on Trinitarian seminarians, I've taught and it just seems to drive them to their faces in awe and humility.

It is unfortunate that some with this understanding hold it in arrogance and perceived superiority. It is still a wonder to me!

The highlighted statements are exactly what I'm talking about! Yes, it certainly is unfortunate that "some with this understanding" hold it in the way you just said it.

So you're saying that a trinitarian "can't get a handle on what God did"??? Are you serious???

[Sam]

Originally Posted by TheLegalist

One persons orthodoxy is another persons heresy.

I admit that I worship the God of our fathers as a follower of the Way, which they call a sect. I believe everything that agrees with the Law and that is written in the Prophets, Acts 24:14

[StillStanding]

IMO, Oneness folks do get "worked up" more than Trinitarian folks when it comes to songs about the name "Jesus". Songs of that sort reach deep inside of the DNA of Oneness believers. Our roots are built on the name "Jesus".

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Mr. Steinway

IMO, Oneness folks do get "worked up" more than Trinitarian folks when it comes to songs about the name "Jesus". Songs of that sort reach deep inside of the DNA of Oneness believers. Our roots are built on the name "Jesus".

and then we argue among ourselves and put down those who don't agree with us on what "the name" really is. Is it Yasha, or Yeshua, or Yehoshua, or Joshua, or Yeshu, or what?

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Mr. Steinway

IMO, Oneness folks do get "worked up" more than Trinitarian folks when it comes to songs about the name "Jesus".

I'll give you that. But which is greater, Jesus Himself or His name?

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Understood. However, wrongdoing doesn't justify wrongdoing. My overall point is that I believe that "Trinitarians" have every bit as much value of the name of Jesus as anyone else, if not more so. I don't care for the predisposition of many Oneness people that they have "dibs" on the Name of Jesus.

No one "owns" the name of the Lord. It belongs to Him.

If Trinitarians truly exalt and value the name of the Lord then they should be baptized in His name and become His disciples.

You may not like the prideful disposition of some Oneness folks but neither do I for that matter!

[Falla39]

There is a difference in those who perhaps have never heard the Apostolic message
and those who HAVE heard and refused to "hear" or have heard and rejected it. Having
ears to hear and eyes to see, but they see and hear not.

My late paternal Grandmother Lizzie, who was the first of our family to hear, search out,
believe and obey the Apostolic message. At first she got angry and decided to prove that
Pentecostal preacher wrong. After searching it out, she had to admit that it was in the Word.
She didn't hesitate, but obeyed it. She received the "Blessing" or the "Promise of The Father".
And as a result it has been passed down to five generations of her family.

We saw it lived and obeyed and it has brought tremendous blessings to the families that
followed her. You see, she received the "Seed" in which all the families of the earth would
be blessed.

Falla39

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

If Trinitarians truly exalt and value the name of the Lord then they should be baptized in His name and become His disciples.

Really? I don't understand statements like this. Your insinuation here is that they do not value the name of Jesus which is exactly the point I'm making. I don't know how you could say that or insinuate it. So you really believe that what was verbalized as they splashed through baptismal waters is indicative they don't value the name of Jesus?

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Falla39

There is a difference in those who perhaps have never heard the Apostolic message
and those who HAVE heard and refused to "hear" or have heard and rejected it. Having
ears to hear and eyes to see, but they see and hear not.

My late paternal Grandmother Lizzie, who was the first of our family to hear, search out,
believe and obey the Apostolic message. At first she got angry and decided to prove that
Pentecostal preacher wrong. After searching it out, she had to admit that it was in the Word.
She didn't hesitate, but obeyed it. She received the "Blessing" or the "Promise of The Father".
And as a result it has been passed down to five generations of her family.

We saw it lived and obeyed and it has brought tremendous blessings to the families that
followed her. You see, she received the "Seed" in which all the families of the earth would
be blessed.

Falla39

So do you see those who have not followed the co-called "apostolic message" but are following Christ through more traditional theology, as saved, regenerated, born again, heaven-ready?