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03-15-2010, 05:34 PM
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crakjak
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Re: Does Anyone Leave This World Perfect?
Does God condemn a believer that dies with cancer? Heart attack? Someone that commits suicide has a mental sicknes, how is that different than any other disease?
No one is "perfect" in the legalistic sense in this world. It is only when we see Jesus that we will finally "be like him".
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03-15-2010, 05:43 PM
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Re: Does Anyone Leave This World Perfect?
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Originally Posted by crakjak
Does God condemn a believer that dies with cancer? Heart attack? Someone that commits suicide has a mental sicknes, how is that different than any other disease?
No one is "perfect" in the legalistic sense in this world. It is only when we see Jesus that we will finally "be like him".
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You guys are great!  You know why? You're saying what I wanted you to say. Good to hear from others that look at an issue much in the same way. Suicide is probably one of the most difficult means of death that families have to deal with. I try to be an encourager instead of a condemner.
Been Thinkin
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"Prediction is very hard, especially about the future." - Yogi Berra
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03-15-2010, 07:04 PM
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Re: Does Anyone Leave This World Perfect?
This one hits close to home for me.
I lost one of my best friends to suicide in 2006.
It was one of the hardest things I've dealt with in my adult life.
I wish I'd known then what I know now.
'But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,'
God has neither stopped loving them or is finished with them.
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9This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.
10For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
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03-15-2010, 07:29 PM
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Re: Does Anyone Leave This World Perfect?
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Originally Posted by Shawn
This one hits close to home for me.
I lost one of my best friends to suicide in 2006.
It was one of the hardest things I've dealt with in my adult life.
I wish I'd known then what I know now.
'But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,'
God has neither stopped loving them or is finished with them.
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So sorry for your loss Shawn, and sorry that I brought this subject up! You never know who has been touched by something like this. I don't think God wants us to sit in judgement, but stand in love and help hold those who are hurting with compassion. It seems to me that Apostolic & Pentecostals are too quick to proclaim judgement on such cases. Now I know that's a broad brush statement, but I have been around and know what I'm talking about in this matter.
Sometimes life's situations can change "our doctrine" so quick. Knew a preacher in Louisiana who was death on divorce and remarriage until his wife left him!!!!
God speed to you Shawn!
Been Thinkin
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"From the time you're born, 'til you ride in the hearse, there ain't nothing bad that couldn't be worse!"
LIFE: Some days you're the dog and some days you're the hydrant!
I have ... Hippopotomonstrosesquipedaliophobia! The fear of long words.
"Prediction is very hard, especially about the future." - Yogi Berra
"I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress, and grow brave in reflection." - Thomas Paine
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03-15-2010, 08:08 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Re: Does Anyone Leave This World Perfect?
I don't believe suicide is sentence to hell for someone that was a believer, not living an unrepented life. One sin does not darn someone to heck
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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03-15-2010, 08:08 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Re: Does Anyone Leave This World Perfect?
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Originally Posted by BeenThinkin
So sorry for your loss Shawn, and sorry that I brought this subject up! You never know who has been touched by something like this. I don't think God wants us to sit in judgement, but stand in love and help hold those who are hurting with compassion. It seems to me that Apostolic & Pentecostals are too quick to proclaim judgement on such cases. Now I know that's a broad brush statement, but I have been around and know what I'm talking about in this matter.
Sometimes life's situations can change "our doctrine" so quick. Knew a preacher in Louisiana who was death on divorce and remarriage until his wife left him!!!!
God speed to you Shawn!
Been Thinkin
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You think it's just Pentecostals?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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03-15-2010, 08:48 PM
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Re: Does Anyone Leave This World Perfect?
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You think it's just Pentecostals?
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Probably wasn't a good conclusion on my part. That's who I've had the most dealing with on harsh judgements. Have you had similar responses from other denominations?
Regardless of the denomination, God has the final say! I want to be loving and not condemning!
Been Thinkin
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"From the time you're born, 'til you ride in the hearse, there ain't nothing bad that couldn't be worse!"
LIFE: Some days you're the dog and some days you're the hydrant!
I have ... Hippopotomonstrosesquipedaliophobia! The fear of long words.
"Prediction is very hard, especially about the future." - Yogi Berra
"I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress, and grow brave in reflection." - Thomas Paine
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03-15-2010, 08:53 PM
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Re: Does Anyone Leave This World Perfect?
Only the overcomers are promised eternal life.
7: He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. Rev. 2:7
Fight the good fight of faith. Be sure.
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03-15-2010, 09:13 PM
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the ultracon
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Re: Does Anyone Leave This World Perfect?
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Originally Posted by crakjak
Does God condemn a believer that dies with cancer? Heart attack? Someone that commits suicide has a mental sicknes, how is that different than any other disease?
No one is "perfect" in the legalistic sense in this world. It is only when we see Jesus that we will finally "be like him".
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My thoughts exactly. God wraps his arms around and loves someone who is so desperatly hurting that ehy would end their pain in this way.
One might say that he person was not a Christian, if thats the case, then suicide is not the persons problem, the problem would lack of regeneration.
If Christians can get sick with physical illinesses, they are certainly suscptable to mental afflictions also. It is the mental affliction that ends the life just as physical affliction end lives.
In the end, God is much more merciful than his followers.
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03-15-2010, 09:21 PM
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Re: Does Anyone Leave This World Perfect?
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Originally Posted by freeatlast
My thoughts exactly. God wraps his arms around and loves someone who is so desperatly hurting that ehy would end their pain in this way.
One might say that he person was not a Christian, if thats the case, then suicide is not the persons problem, the problem would lack of regeneration.
If Christians can get sick with physical illinesses, they are certainly suscptable to mental afflictions also. It is the mental affliction that ends the life just as physical affliction end lives.
In the end, God is much more merciful than his followers.
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Been Thinkin
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"From the time you're born, 'til you ride in the hearse, there ain't nothing bad that couldn't be worse!"
LIFE: Some days you're the dog and some days you're the hydrant!
I have ... Hippopotomonstrosesquipedaliophobia! The fear of long words.
"Prediction is very hard, especially about the future." - Yogi Berra
"I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress, and grow brave in reflection." - Thomas Paine
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