A Personal Appeal to AFF Posters<<<< - Page 10

CC1 · #91 03-21-2010, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

We share a sense of disappointment. We share the belief that some actions are despicable. We share a sense that some things are unethical.

Unfortunately, we disagree as to the source of those shared beliefs.

To be clear then you are telling me you have no problem with the ethics of using this forum to urge people to leave it? If so then I have misjudged your character for years now.

NotforSale · #92 03-21-2010, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

This is a personal appeal to my AFF friends.

I ask everyone who believes in the Oneness of God, baptism in the name of Jesus, and the infilling of the Holy Ghost to choose a different forum home, from this point on.

AFF has become a place that actively mocks my beliefs. On the most recent thread I started, every admin that participated defended Trinitarianism and actively posted against Oneness doctrine.

Again, this place is now enemy territory. It exists solely to tear down basic doctrinal truths.

This thread will be removed, I'm quite sure.

And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

In all honesty, many on this Forum have come from Apostolic Churches where they had many, or all of the above in their Church accept the last thing; Charity.

Your claim that this is "Enemy Territory" is sad. Like I've posted numerous times, Wars are started over Religion, and hate ends up being the dividing line.

Brother, I've pastored for the last 14 years and the truth is, when Love is gone, we're all in trouble, I don't care how much we think we know.

I have 3 children who are grown and married. I raised them all in the Apostolic Church. 2 of them are going through divorces and I am one broken man. I told God yesterday in prayer, "I'm not bitter or angry, just broken". I went to visit my son, who's 24, and I realized he didn't need anything from me accept for 1 thing; I went to his house to wash his feet (not litterally). I went to him to care for the dirt on his feet, to feel his pain, and to see if I could serve him and let him know he's not forgotten.

I left with tears streaming down my face, and was glad that Love stayed in the equation.

Love covereth a multitude of sins, Bro Ed, and all the Truth in the World won't save me if I lose it. I believe most on here love one another despite their differences, and that's why I like it here.

Praxeas · #93 03-21-2010, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

What is the trinitarian doctrine in your estimation? Is it the one that allegedly doesn't exist, in which people believe in three persons in the godhead?

I agree, it probably is more about defending trinitarians, but I still read a plethora of posts defending trinitarianism, and a good number of posts arguing with basic tenets of the oneness doctrine. Ergo, I'm not going to say that EA is wrong about that.

You do have the "squeaky wheel gets the grease" phenomenon, because some people post the same stuff over and over, on multiple threads. Even if those people aren't in the majority, it can seem like it because their posts are sometimes the majority.

I think the real problem is that a lot of OPs believe the difference between Oneness and Trinity is semantics and that there is no real difference..

The irony? I have stepped up many times to refute that notion and never see Ed or a lot of others so called OPs step up with me and do the same. We have many threads on Oneness and many threads vs Trinitarianism and I never see Ed there....

EA · #94 03-21-2010, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by CC1

To be clear then you are telling me you have no problem with the ethics of using this forum to urge people to leave it? If so then I have misjudged your character for years now.

Is this forum being used to urge people to accept Trinitarianism as an equally valid theological view? Is this forum being used to urge people to cast off Oneness doctrine?

Breach of ethics?

What of Bible doctrine?

Ethics would require anyone worth their salt to take a stand against false doctrine.

pelathais · #95 03-21-2010, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

What is the trinitarian doctrine in your estimation? Is it the one that allegedly doesn't exist, in which people believe in three persons in the godhead?

I agree, it probably is more about defending trinitarians, but I still read a plethora of posts defending trinitarianism, and a good number of posts arguing with basic tenets of the oneness doctrine. Ergo, I'm not going to say that EA is wrong about that.

You do have the "squeaky wheel gets the grease" phenomenon, because some people post the same stuff over and over, on multiple threads. Even if those people aren't in the majority, it can seem like it because their posts are sometimes the majority.

Oneness doctrine is incomplete - it's still a new development. Oneness today isn't the same as the ancient Abrahamic faith. Today's Oneness arose from the midst of a sea of Trinitarianism that itself arose from Neo-Platonism.

So we need to "argue" about it. We need to work on it and refine it. That's why AFF exists in part.

I don't really see anyone except the very occasional and lone straggler that wanders in from time to time who advocates anything like Orthodox Trinitarian doctrine.

And would you quit with the "Condescending Coffee" icon?

notofworks · #96 03-21-2010, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

Is this forum being used to urge people to accept Trinitarianism as an equally valid theological view? Is this forum being used to urge people to cast off Oneness doctrine?

Breach of ethics?

What of Bible doctrine?

Ethics would require anyone worth their salt to take a stand against false doctrine.

Apostolic Friends Forum. Love it or leave it! Simple as that (and leave the rest of us alone).

Praxeas · #97 03-21-2010, 06:20 PM

Also I think what happens is this: Trinitarianism get's attacked, the "P" word is used...the "H" word is used. Oneness advocate, a little unnerved with the idea of damning to hell every Trinitarian points out that though they are Oneness the Oneness position has some problems they need to address while pointing out Trinitarianism may not be that different (I disagree) or while pointing out Trinitarians DO believe Jesus is God and we should not ........ them to hell.

Oneness and Trinity both have difficulties in their theologies. I believe Oneness makes more sense than the Trinity. I think what we see here is people trying to be honest, fair and a little tired and unnerved by the Oneness attitudes we have seen in the past that damns to hell everyone...even some of us staunch OP advocates here are in their firing sight for not being hardcore on standards etc etc.

notofworks · #98 03-21-2010, 06:23 PM

Way to go after his daughter. Nice touch.

pelathais · #99 03-21-2010, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

This statement is 100% verifiable.

Sorry Bro. Even your attempt to prove it left me unconvinced. They expressed some doubts about certainty. One poster who isn't even an admin (I believe) said something like... "There's three somethings..."

Try to get a passing grade at Trinity Evangelical Seminary with the statement "there's three somethings..." on your paper.

Among the many variants of Oneness teachings there are at least a few that say something like, "There's three somethings..." however.

What I saw was people trying to persude others not to be too judgmental about sending Trinnies to hell.

MissBrattified · #**100** 03-21-2010, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

Oneness doctrine is incomplete - it's still a new development. Oneness today isn't the same as the ancient Abrahamic faith. Today's Oneness arose from the midst of a sea of Trinitarianism that itself arose from Neo-Platonism.

So we need to "argue" about it. We need to work on it and refine it. That's why AFF exists in part.

I don't really see anyone except the very occasional and lone straggler that wanders in from time to time who advocates anything like Orthodox Trinitarian doctrine.

And would you quit with the "Condescending Coffee" icon?

Well, I used to have a favorite icon that was a coffee drinker wearing a red beret, but it was deleted. Now I'm stuck being condescending forever.