SKorean Navy Ship Sunk by N. Koreans?

[Ron]

Originally Posted by pelathais

You'd best be nice to old Lizzie then, right?

I used to hate it when she and Charles would send their hounds through our oats followed by the monstrous crew of "hunters" tearing up our crops and making every winter's prospects a bit more bleak all in the name of their cruel ideas of "sportsmanship." That wild cacophony of barking, bugles and hoof beats always meant humiliation and hunger for the denizens of our village. Don't even get me started about what happens when we try and fill our pots by taking game in "her" woods.

TIC fer sure, but you are more bang on than you realize!

[Ron]

Originally Posted by BroGary

Didn't see the video yet, but I know what you're saying about who owns Canada.

(most people don't realize there is a lot more to the "Crown" and "The City" than what pubic schools taught them, also amazing is how many people in positions of power in various countries (including middle east countries) are high level Freemasons)

Freemasonry can be traced all the way back to Babylon & even to Nimrod!

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Wealth is power..again how come these two families don't show up on these lists? they must not have the money people claim they have

I know that they work together in the background to bring about a New World Order.

[BroGary]

Originally Posted by Ron

Freemasonry can be traced all the way back to Babylon & even to Nimrod!

Yep, the original Babylonian pagan religion of Lucifer went undercover long ago and used various fronts as covers down thru history.

So many various groups can be tied to such new age pagan beliefs.

This article written by an apostolic minister is VERY informative about some of those various groups -

http://kenraggio.com/KRPN-DevilinNWO.htm

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by BroGary

History bears out how their plans are being fulfilled.

It would be good to clarify that it is the Jews who follow the Talmud and Cabala (basically modern day Pharisees) who have sold out to the New World Order, there are Torah following Jews who are against the Talmud/Cabala Jews who are the ones in power. (and the Talmud/Cabala Jews have plenty of Gentile NWO cohorts)

Lemme see, Bernie Madoff was a "Talmud/Cabala Jew?" That crew?

What about our founding fathers? They felt that they had created a "New Order of the World" (or Ages).



"Novus Ordo Seclorium" = New World Order

If what you say is true - then the United States since its founding has always been a part of this "evil" and we must confront the "evil" how...? BE CAREFUL HOW YOU RESPOND. Timothy McVeigh took all of this stuff quite seriously and acted on his "conviction" by blowing up a Federal employee's daycare center.

If I had to chose... I'd say McVeigh and his conspiracy theories were the real evil.

Originally Posted by BroGary

The Carlyle Group and other NWO fronts are compartmentalized, not everyone employed by such fronts are in on the agenda of those at the top, but are used as unwitting pawns.

Wow. You have done your research if you know more about the workings of the Carlyle Group than their Full Partners do. Here, and I thought they were all a bunch of nerds peddling local government infrastructure securities over stocks because of their security in uncertain times.

Originally Posted by BroGary

The Bible does prophesy an evil one world government will happen, if you can't see the evidence of such a system being put in place, no hard feelings, but I guess it might have to actually happen first for you and some others to believe it, but at least keep in mind that the mainstream media is controlled by the globalists and they have a lot of practice at deceiving the public.

I agree about the "deceivers" in the mainstream media. And just when I think the "alternative" sources in the blog sphere, cable news and talk radio are getting some traction I am disappointed by some of their gaffes.

I also disagree about the Bible foretelling "an evil one world government will happen..." Even taking the material in the most literal fashion (not recommended) you see "the Beast" forever at war with other nations in the Middle East (Babylon and Persia). If he can't bring those guys down how's he supposed to control the U.S. the PRC and Russia?

I respect and appreciate your calm demeanor on this material, BroGary. Just from this exchange I get the impression that you're probably a fairly level headed guy despite some of the things that I consider to be "tin-foil-hat" in nature.

And it is good for us all to be skeptical about any of the schemes of our rulers. Anything less and you'd have to question whether or not we even deserve to keep our freedoms.

But as far as the "evil one world" conspiracy goes, I like the words of one guy who actually tried to take over the world... and came just a few winter coats short of his goal; Napoleon Bonaparte:

"Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence."

[BroGary]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Lemme see, Bernie Madoff was a "Talmud/Cabala Jew?" That crew?

What about our founding fathers? They felt that they had created a "New Order of the World" (or Ages).



"Novus Ordo Seclorium" = New World Order

If what you say is true - then the United States since its founding has always been a part of this "evil" and we must confront the "evil" how...? BE CAREFUL HOW YOU RESPOND. Timothy McVeigh took all of this stuff quite seriously and acted on his "conviction" by blowing up a Federal employee's daycare center.

If I had to chose... I'd say McVeigh and his conspiracy theories were the real evil.


Wow. You have done your research if you know more about the workings of the Carlyle Group than their Full Partners do. Here, and I thought they were all a bunch of nerds peddling local government infrastructure securities over stocks because of their security in uncertain times.

I agree about the "deceivers" in the mainstream media. And just when I think the "alternative" sources in the blog sphere, cable news and talk radio are getting some traction I am disappointed by some of their gaffes.

I also disagree about the Bible foretelling "an evil one world government will happen..." Even taking the material in the most literal fashion (not recommended) you see "the Beast" forever at war with other nations in the Middle East (Babylon and Persia). If he can't bring those guys down how's he supposed to control the U.S. the PRC and Russia?

I respect and appreciate your calm demeanor on this material, BroGary. Just from this exchange I get the impression that you're probably a fairly level headed guy despite some of the things that I consider to be "tin-foil-hat" in nature.

And it is good for us all to be skeptical about any of the schemes of our rulers. Anything less and you'd have to question whether or not we even deserve to keep our freedoms.

But as far as the "evil one world" conspiracy goes, I like the words of one guy who actually tried to take over the world... and came just a few winter coats short of his goal; Napoleon Bonaparte:

"Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence."

Satan has been planning a global government since at least the tower of Babel so it is no surprise we see evidence of global conspiracy down thru history.

They intend on making WW3 so terrible that people will willingly give up their nation's sovergnity in exchange for world peace.

As far as disagreeing that the Bible fortells an evil one world government we will have to simply agree to disagree and time will tell for sure :-)

Thanks for the kind words bro, "calm demeanor" simply makes sense, being uncalm would not seem to accomplish anything positive, and I expect to run into a fair number of skeptics, and I know it is not easy for many to have such a paradigm shift in how they view history after a lifetime of controlled media indoctrination :-)

I also appreciate your calm demeanor bro, in the past I have seen some elsewhere who disagree who are not able to disagree without making a big emotional tirade about it being far out conspiracy nut stuff. (of course the conspirers count on many people scoffing at this stuff :-)

As far as so called "tin-foil-hat" things, just remember that most of the world likely thought that way about Noah when he was building an ark when it had never even rained before :-)

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by BroGary

Satan has been planning a global government since at least the tower of Babel so it is no surprise we see evidence of global conspiracy down thru history.

Now, I'm no fan of Nimrod, but could you help me out? Just where does the Bible tell us that "Satan" was behind the building of the Tower of Babel? (See Genesis 11:3-6).

Originally Posted by BroGary

They intend on making WW3 so terrible that people will willingly give up their nation's sovergnity in exchange for world peace.

As far as disagreeing that the Bible fortells an evil one world government we will have to simply agree to disagree and time will tell for sure :-)

No we don't! You've said that the Bible tells us NOW that "an evil one world government is prophesied." Show me NOW!

Originally Posted by BroGary

Thanks for the kind words bro, "calm demeanor" simply makes sense, being uncalm would not seem to accomplish anything positive, and I expect to run into a fair number of skeptics, and I know it is not easy for many to have such a paradigm shift in how they view history after a lifetime of controlled media indoctrination :-)

I also appreciate your calm demeanor bro, in the past I have seen some elsewhere who disagree who are not able to disagree without making a big emotional tirade about it being far out conspiracy nut stuff. (of course the conspirers count on many people scoffing at this stuff :-)

As far as so called "tin-foil-hat" things, just remember that most of the world likely thought that way about Noah when he was building an ark when it had never even rained before :-)

uhm... yeah. (See NotForSale's "Noah and the Ark" thread).

My take is that folks have seen the attempts at political consolidation since the time of WW1 and have tried to force these political movements into what the Bible has to say. This followed a new pattern of Bible interpretation that was developing in the previous century. The horrors of a World War, made possible by the new technology of the industrial revolution had a tremendous impact upon the minds of the people in the West. This coincided with the rise of fundamentalism in America and the two became intertwined along with the newfangled Dispensational method of Bible interpretation.

This whole program of trying to force current events into the Bible's prophecies was first developed by the Millerites (Seventh Day Adventists) and the Jehovah Witnesses. Trailing along behind them came the Darbyists who had founded Dispensationalism in the first place as an adjutant to the new enthusiasm for Bible literalism that was brought on by the Enlightenment. The Niagara Bible Conferences worked out just how to make all of this palatable for American mass consumption.

But throughout most of church history, believers actually looked with anticipation upon the idea of a one world ruler who would do away with the evils of war, poverty and the other ailments of mankind (See Psalm 2:7-12; Revelation 2:25-29; Revelation 12:5; Revelation 19:15).

[berkeley]

Great post, Pel. My fav is Isaiah 9:7

[BroGary]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Now, I'm no fan of Nimrod, but could you help me out? Just where does the Bible tell us that "Satan" was behind the building of the Tower of Babel? (See Genesis 11:3-6).

No we don't! You've said that the Bible tells us NOW that "an evil one world government is prophesied." Show me NOW!


uhm... yeah. (See NotForSale's "Noah and the Ark" thread).

My take is that folks have seen the attempts at political consolidation since the time of WW1 and have tried to force these political movements into what the Bible has to say. This followed a new pattern of Bible interpretation that was developing in the previous century. The horrors of a World War, made possible by the new technology of the industrial revolution had a tremendous impact upon the minds of the people in the West. This coincided with the rise of fundamentalism in America and the two became intertwined along with the newfangled Dispensational method of Bible interpretation.

This whole program of trying to force current events into the Bible's prophecies was first developed by the Millerites (Seventh Day Adventists) and the Jehovah Witnesses. Trailing along behind them came the Darbyists who had founded Dispensationalism in the first place as an adjutant to the new enthusiasm for Bible literalism that was brought on by the Enlightenment. The Niagara Bible Conferences worked out just how to make all of this palatable for American mass consumption.

But throughout most of church history, believers actually looked with anticipation upon the idea of a one world ruler who would do away with the evils of war, poverty and the other ailments of mankind (See Psalm 2:7-12; Revelation 2:25-29; Revelation 12:5; Revelation 19:15).

God stopped the tower of Babel from being finished so it was not of God, it should be obvious Satan was motivating mankind to go against what God wanted.

Revelation 13 is just one example of an evil global system that is prophesied.

http://kenraggio.com/KRPN-Superpower.htm

The scriptures you quoted don't happen unitl after Jesus defeats the Antichrist at the battle of Armgeddon.

It is obvious that you probally won't believe the evil global government is forming until it actually is in full force, maybe when the Antichrist enters the (to be) rebuilt temple and proclaims to be God you might be convinced :-)

Wow bro, if you're saying you can't even accept the story of Noah as being real then we don't have much basis for discussion if you look at such things in the Bible as myths.

No offense bro, but people not believing we are moving towards the fulfillment of end time prophecy reminded me of this verse:

2 Peter 3:4
And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by BroGary

God stopped the tower of Babel from being finished so it was not of God, it should be obvious Satan was motivating mankind to go against what God wanted.

And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. Genesis 11:6

Hmm... one people... one language... unity... mankind can do great things when united... however, their WILL was contrary to God's purpose. Nope, no mention of Satan here...