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Old 04-12-2010, 01:03 PM
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Re: The Biblical response to ACTS 2:38

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I am going to go as far as it's just dead.....Cause it's not happening as it was in the bible not to mention the apostoles that were laying there hands on the people and causing this to happen are dead and gone....
The ministry of Apostle is still in the church.

But there's good news... it's not limited to those holding a license with a shiny name plate on their office door.
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Old 04-12-2010, 02:52 PM
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I am goin to have to disagree with you on this one Jason. God and the word is very detailed ans specific about the HG and Tongues in the NT as far as being the evidence of the HG. We know peter preached it and so did paul in Acts 19th chapter.

If you are refering to the Church today though, well that is a diffrent story, I believe all who come in the church should be welcome and not be givin up on. Some try to seek out the HG and give up, but I still believe they need it just like the bible says. We have to believe the words of the apostles.

I would like to add that some churches says baptism is not neccessary for salvation and they could not be any more wrong. My goodness, If the apostles did it and Jesus says "he that believeth and is baptised shall be saved" Why not follow that and be done with it.
Amen, the apostles clearly realized the simple truth that tongues was the initial evidence of receiving the Holy Ghost !
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Old 04-12-2010, 07:05 PM
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Re: The Biblical response to ACTS 2:38

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I am goin to have to disagree with you on this one Jason. God and the word is very detailed ans specific about the HG and Tongues in the NT as far as being the evidence of the HG. We know peter preached it and so did paul in Acts 19th chapter.

If you are refering to the Church today though, well that is a diffrent story, I believe all who come in the church should be welcome and not be givin up on. Some try to seek out the HG and give up, but I still believe they need it just like the bible says. We have to believe the words of the apostles.

I would like to add that some churches says baptism is not neccessary for salvation and they could not be any more wrong. My goodness, If the apostles did it and Jesus says "he that believeth and is baptised shall be saved" Why not follow that and be done with it.

Corvet,

Kudos on your disagreement, but the topic of this thread is the Biblical response to Acts 2:38. I have made the point that repentance and water baptism is the proper response to Peter's preaching in Acts 2:38. I have also referenced many others scriptures which seem to strongly indicate that once one has repented, and been baptized that thier sins are forgiven, and they are to walk in newness of life.

Now then, if someone sins are forgiven (Acts 2:38/Acts 22:16), and they are IN Christ (Gal 3:27), and have newness of life (Romans 6:1-4), please explain how the same, which HAVE obeyed Acts 2:38 can be considered lost simply because they don't speak in tongues.

Also, do you make the assumption that ALL 3,000 who were baptized in Acts 2 spoke in tongues (at the time of conversion) ?
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Old 04-12-2010, 07:09 PM
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Re: The Biblical response to ACTS 2:38

Bro. Gary, instead of simply amening Corvet, would you put the pom poms down for a moment and address these points. What is the Biblical response to Acts 2:38?
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What is the Biblical response to Acts 2:38 & the rite of entry into the Chrisitan church, aka the body of Christ? Let us enter into a challenging and scriptural debate concerning these things. And yes, I do believe in tongues. My question is how do some force their rigid interpretation of Acts 2:38 (meaning if one hasn't spoken in tongues, they are damned, no matter what else) into the following verses? Please feel free to answer question by question, or verse by verse.

What was the BIBLICAL RESPONSE to Peter's preaching on the day of Pentecost in Acts chapter two? And what was the result of that response?

Answer, verse 41.

Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

#1)they were baptized (an act which follows repentance in the normative New testament pattern)

#2)they were added to the church

Question, where are tongues present or even implied in this passage?

In Acts 2:37 the people ask Peter a question, "What shall WE do?"
Peter's reply:
"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. " Acts 2:38

Please correct me if I'm reading it wrong, did not Peter give them 2 specific commands? 1)repent 2)be baptized these are things that we choose to do, or not to do. The third thing is something that God only can do. Is it impossible that God would give the gift of the Holy Ghost to those who obey what Peter preached? Yet, as I mentioned, where are tongues present in the passage? Only as a means to preach the gospel between verses 4-11.

When they followed Peter's two commands, does not the Bible say they were added unto them (verse 41)?

Did not Luke quote Jesus in Luke 24:47 "And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. "

Where does remission of sins take place, and entry into the Christian faith?
Furthermore, can your sins be forgiven and washed away, and you still be lost? On what account would you be damned, if you were to stand before God sinless?

And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord. Acts 22:16

Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Romans 6:3-5

How can someone be baptized INTO Christ, and enter into newness of life, and still be lost (for not speaking in tonuges)? Can you be IN CHRIST, and be lost all at the same time?

For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. Galatians 3:27

In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses Colossians 2:11-13

Again, how can you be buried with Him, and risen with Him, and forgiven all, and be lost?

The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: 1 Peter 3:21

or, quoted without Paul's explaination- The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: 1 Peter 3:21

Now, I personally believe Paul's explaination is needed so that one doesn't teach baptismal regeneration. I am in no way promoting a view that the water does anything special in and of itself, but suggesting that it is our response to the gospel, and the command to be baptized that brings about the result. In other words faith in God and the blood of Jesus is the means upon which we recieve regeneration. And such faith is demonstrated in responding to the gospel through repentance and water baptism.

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. Mark 16:16

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Matthew 28:19

One thing I notice when studying tongues in the gospel, especially the great commission, is that tongues are not mentioned in Matthew's account. Mentioned in Mark account, not with salvation, but rather as signs that will foloow believers, but not necessarily for ALL believers (unless one suggest all believers are required to cast out devils, drink poisonous things,etc). And Luke speaks of the promise of the Father, but doesn't link it to salvation (mentioned in 24:47) but in the smae manner as Mark, as more of an "empowerment" given to the church to fulfill the mission of Christ. (Luke 24:49)

Thats enough to get us started.
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